Facebook supports rape?

[MotherPanda]

Have we a thread on this yet?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/facebook-hate-speech-women-rape?newsfeed=true

I am really shocked.

Nope, never said that. Just that it happens, some women do lie about it and they should be punished too

Send me a link to those that lie about being rapists, like material to read. This sounds interesting

But you're adding something that hasn't been discussed AFAIK and isn't a main part of the thread.

It's like me adding: "and the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, led to the establishment of the Poor Laws under Elizabeth".

It may be true. But it's not actually relevant to this thread, is it?

Find your own links

That sounds about right SGM

It's perfectly relevant to the thread. I'm not throwing a "what about teh menz" into this, just that it does happen and genuine victims could feel insulted. Lyers should be punished too

I googled "men who lie about being rapists" and this was the top result

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080205054030AA2Ohhy

Right, think I'm happy with that conclusion.

Those of you who havn't already, perhaps you'd like to sign the petition I linked on page one?

I'm a genuine victim and I don't feel insulted by the tiny number of women who lie about rape. I feel insulted by people who want to talk about false allegations as soon as the word rape is mentioned. They disgust me.

Uppity, stop being so uppity about all this and realise that some people do lie

Crystal Mangum??? I bet she disgusts you

Not to get involved in the whole debate you guys had yesterday (because from what I read you all seem to basically think the exact same thing but not like the way the other person phrases it).

But I did read the article and I liked it, until I got then end with
What Facebook and others who defend this pernicious hate speech don't seem to get is that rapists don't rape because they're somehow evil or perverted or in any way particularly different from than the average man in the street: rapists rape because they can. Rapists rape because they know the odds are stacked in their favour, because they know the chances are they'll get away with it

I did read that to mean any man would be a rapist given the chance. I see most of you read it differently so I'm willing to accept that I may have understood it wrong. But I really think it could have been phrased much better. On mumsnet we never let get people get away with lazy writing when discussing a group of people (you get pulled apart for it even if you don't mean it the way it is taken) so I really would expect more from an author. The second you write something down you leave it open for interpretation so would be nice if she had made it clearer.

I still posted the article on my wall and some friends who I thought might be the sort to care as the link to the fb petition didn't get much interest on its own. Hopefully it will get some atention

Mother Panda, I've been thinking about this a bit. Feminists have worked long and hard to get the point across that rape isn't about sexual desire gone overboard.

Rape (and I'll include serious sexual assault, as UK law restricts rape to penetration with a penis without consent) is about power and control. It is one person exerting power and control over another person by engaging them in a sex act without their consent.

Man A wakes up in the night feeling fruity. His partner is completely sparked out (i.e. asleep or passed out drunk.) He proceeds to have sex with her without her consent and/or doesn't stop when she says she wants it to stop. Man A feels he is entitled to engage in sex with his partner, whether or not she clearly consented. He is exerting his power and control over her body and her person by engaging her in sex without her consent.

Man B on the other hand wakes up in the night feeling fruity. His partner is completely sparked out. If asleep, he might decide to wake her and see if she wants to have sex. If passed out, he knows she's in no position to agree, so turns over and has a wank.

Both men were aroused and in the mood for sex. One raped and the other didn't.

Is doclatter Edd then? He did like to go on about Crystal Magnum - the one woman he seemed to know of who lied about rape.

or in any way particularly different from than the average man in the street

see I guess that's where everyone else read a silent "looks in anyway particularly different"

Where as I took it quite literally.

I accept that it probably makes more sense the way everyone else has taken it but would prefer something clearer myself.

Yes I think sexual desire might come into it with some rapes (as in Man A) but it's coupled with that entitlement thing, isn't it?

Well I don't think you can expect the same clear and coherent standard from the guardian, that you get on MN, Wish

KRITIQ - no, you're right. that certainly is rape.

I thought the point of the Ray Wyre quote was to indicate that rapists are a product of typical socialisation within our culture; a culture that produces rapists as part of its normal processes.