Facebook supports rape?

[MotherPanda]

Have we a thread on this yet?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/facebook-hate-speech-women-rape?newsfeed=true

I am really shocked.

So, for men, saying no to sex is a feminine trait? I think you're right - perhaps the prevalence of rape behind doors is probably to do with porn. The belief that you can not rape your girlfriend/wife or someone who you have already had sex with. You certainly can't rape someone if you are in bed together... it must be in an alleyway to be convicted. And there must be screaming, and she must say no. And, new to me, apparently you have to be a black man to rape, and a white women (in a mini skirt) to be raped.

Have any of you ever seen incidents of male/gay sexual assault reported? I honestly don't think I ever have. But I know it must happen.

I really don't like profiling. It allows so much, apparently 80% of sexual assault, to fall through the gaps.

Yes Lenin, which is why it's essential to keep going with it and keep researching and analysing. No profiling is perfect because it is based on convicted criminals - how could it not be?

Conviction rates are better than some countries - we've still got a long way to go, I didn't say it was perfect but better than some and improving.

Can someone clarify why SGM's post was deleted? I don't quite understand, especially as we're seeing discrimination and rape myths perpetuated across this board, along with cross references on another thread. I don't think SGM said anything inflammatory, or resembling "troll hunting", or a personal attack.

I think it is a few factors, one of which is that females are seen as incapable of rape because they are weaker and as with physical abuse, man rarely come forward because they are made to feel it is not as serious. If a man slaps a woman, people will tell her to get out of the relationship but if she slaps him, it's a bit of a laugh, a cat fight and not to be taken seriously. If we want to challenge the idea of women as being unequal to men, we need to challenge the idea that as a sex we aren't capable of everything a man is and that includes people who are compelled to rape and murder and physically assault people.

We have moved on from the idea that rape is simply a woman being held down for sexual intercourse and so if we admit that people can be coerced and withdraw consent, then we need to examine the truth that woman are just as capable as men at doing these things, not just being the victim of them. We can't have it both ways. We're either equal to men in all ways or we aren't.

That Rapists are not 'other' is such a Brilliant point, thank you.

I would assume that one of the reasons male on male rapes don't get reported along with all the reasons for not reporting any rape, is that gay men don't want to encourage the idea that they are all out there violently raping each other and so give rise to even more homophobia.

Ok. Is it acceptable of facebook to allow these groups to run?

No - of course not.

I think, what we are sort of trying to explore/ what we should be exploring is WHY these groups are running, why they are supported, and why facebook would think it's ok for them to run.

discrimination and rape myths - you just never stop do you dont. Clearly others don't see my posts in the same way dear.

Amor - I should think you would welcome discussion of the feminist threads. After being accused of perpetuating rape myths I needed support, because as incredible as this sounds, I am a human being, a wife, a daugher, a sister, a mother and I found that accusation upsetting, hurtful and offensive. I like to think I am quick to apologise and admit mistakes (like the first link) but it's a pity that others prefer to carry on with the accusations.

And I think I explained Amor why I disagreed with that particular paragraph of Elliots and the fact that it is meant to be read exactly as it is written is horrifying. That rapists only rape because they can? Is that what you believe?

That's right. They don't think they are rapists and a lot of the women they rape, agree. Presumably because they think that rapists are different people to the high-flying City men, who share their beds.

It's there in black and white, rhubarb. Disguised by links and "I'm an expert in this"...

Show me the post where I have claimed to be an expert Dont.

You continue to throw that accusation in even when the debate is moving on. You never let it go. Do you really think I will accept that kind of crap? You get arsey because I called you a twunt - you've said much worse. I will not just sit back and take that crap. It's people like you who discredit the feminist section.

I think I'd "like" that, too, SGM...

Amor, I agree with all that you said. I disagree that rapists rape because they can and that rapists are no different to every other man. They are because they have chosen to rape, to humilate, to violate.
They rape not because they can, but because of some other fucked up belief that they have a right to.
And they know it is rape and they know it is illegal.

Im not sure I quite understand, SGM. Are you saying that women who slap their partners are brainwashed? genuinely confused

I do understand that the majority of sexual assault research is done on female victims and I assume that there are more female victims out there than male ones but if we don't do the research into the male ones too and change the way they are portrayed, the true numbers will go undiscovered.

I think we've come a long way on female rape as far as identifying that it's wrong and that it's a lot more complicated than just forced intercourse, I would like to see some respect given to the idea of the male victims too though as I think it's all part of the same thing. If I was a female rape victim, I would wish to see people taking my ordeal seriously. If I was a male rape victim, ditto.