Men discriminated against from cradle to grave according to Dominic Raab MP

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Writing in an article on Politics Home, Dominic Raab MP for Esher and Walton has written:

"It is almost taboo for a man to question the assertion that the rapidly dwindling pay gap is the result of discrimination, rather than genuine choice. The debate has been consumed by the prejudice it seeks to purge."

"While we have some of the toughest anti-discrimination laws in the world, we are blind to some of the most flagrant discrimination ? against men. From the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal. Men work longer hours, die earlier, but retire later than women. "

Then there is the more subtle sexism. Men caused the banking crisis. Men earn more because they are more assertive in pay negotiations. One FT commentator recently complained that: ?High-flying women are programmed to go for high-flying men. Most men aren?t attracted to women who are more successful than they are.? Can you imagine the outrage if such trite generalisations were made about women, or other minorities? Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots."

"You can?t have it both ways. Either you believe in equality or you don?t. If you buy into the whole Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus theory of gender difference ? with all its pseudo science - you can?t then complain about inequalities of outcome that flow both ways from those essentially sexist distinctions."

What do you think MNetters?

"And you knwo what, when women are 50% of government, 50% of bankers, 50% of FTSE 100 directors, do 50% of work, 50% of rape and sexual assault victims, have 50% of leisure and own 50% of property, then I'll read a whiney arsed whinge like that with a bit more patience."

Nearly all of those can be done IF women would step up - blaming men is the easy cop-out for taking responsibility.

In my first post, I stated that feminists tend to blame men - and this was denied, yet since that post was made, it's all been about blaming men. The above quote being a prime example.

This also confirms my above recent post where I stated that it works both ways and some people refuse to see anything from any other angle. 'Any other angle', in this case meaning, "without blaming it on men" being an excellent example of my point.

When I see feminists pushing for equal accountability of women under the law, rather than just preferential treatment under the law, then perhaps I'll start to be convinced that feminism is about equality - but while they rant on & on for preferential treatment of women at the expense of men... I find it unfathomable that anyone could affiliate with such bigotry.

'Nearly all of those can be done IF women would step up - blaming men is the easy cop-out for taking responsibility.'

LMAO!

Seth I've got my bingo card out and nearly have a line .

AW, #1 you don't have to join in with your misandric supporters in relying on mockery & insults to make a point.

#2 I keep stating, I prefer to judge on ACTIONS as oppose claims.

#3 the ACTIONS within this very thread have reaffirmed much of what I've already stated.

And in addition to my previous post, I forgot to add - women will never be 50% rape victims under English law because feminists want ONLY women to have the status of rape-victim and ONLY men to have status of 'rapist', hence they want INequality under English law - when it suites them.

JR

1. Thanks ever so.
2. Super duper
3. Glad to be of service. Might be best if you find somewhere else to post your stuff. There are all sorts of places where people agree with you. Here aint one of them.

But Johnathon you haven't answered any direct questions we have asked and you haven't actually engaged with any of us. You have just told us what we are and then got angry when we laughed at you!

"women will never be 50% rape victims under English law because feminists want ONLY women to have the status of rape-victim and ONLY men to have status of 'rapist', hence they want INequality under English law - when it suites them."
Men have the status of rape victim - when they are raped. Being a man doesn't preclude you from being raped. Feminists don't want men to be equal in terms of rape-victims because that would mean 1 in 4 men being raped and why would that be good for society?

Do you want 50% of domestic violence sufferers to be men? Is that the type of equality that would satisfy you?

careful Claig, he'll tell us there already are more men than women who suffer DV.

I do think we need to step up to the plate and murder our partners more often. We women simply aren't trying. It's not fair that more women than men have so much domestic murder victim status.

I will put that on my list of stuff we should be campaigning for, along with telling women to live less healthy lives so we die later like men.

, it sounds like MRA Alice in Wonderland logic.

who is censoring you? in what way are you unable to post or make your voice heard on this board?

unless you mean people are not agreeing with you, which is quite a different thing, indeed

'honour-badge of 'victim''?

what a revolting term.

He's got a 2 on his username. I'm guessing MNHQ banned him? Dunno.

Chibi - my original account has been banned. It would appear disagreeing with feminism is such a terrible crime it results in being banned...

well, i imagine you would have received an email telling you why - i don't suppose mnhq said you were banned for disagreeing with feminists, as i can think of plenty of posters on these boards who do

WHEN this account is banned (we see already that the old adage 'feminism cannot withstand an open debate' is true) I shall not bother returning... but this only serves to demonstrate - repeatedly - my points about feminism blaming men for all that is wrong, relying on silencing tactics, mockery & insults rather than addressing any issues raised.

but you have had you say on here. It's just that you are making little sense, just like Domithic Drab.

There is no such thing as a perfect world, with perfect justice and perfect equality. Injustices happen to both men and women. But there is more discrimination against women.

It sounds like you have had bad experiences with some women and this has clouded your judgement.

Please don't join the Mad Hatter, Dominic Raab's, band of not so merry MRA men.

oh the arrogance of the man, thinking he can come into our space and dictate what we talk about.

the OP described the article and then asked 'What do you think MNers?'

It didn't say 'What do you think MNers and any male rights activists who like seeking out feminist threads and telling them they are wrong?'

you are not a MNer. You joined purely for this one thread. So why do we have a duty to include you in our conversation all of a sudden?
Answer: we don't.

HerBeX wrote - "we are talking about organisations which are run at a senior decision making level by men. Like practically everything else in society."

Anti-feminists propagate the myth that most or even all of the bad things done to men are done by feminists. The reality is that such injustices (real or imagined) are usually done to them by men, or as a result of what men have decided. Add to that the fact that most women are not feminists.

Feminists (and non-feminist women) did not set the retirement age, ban women from armies, make men die in armies, set health priorities etc. Men do/have done all those things themselves.

Feminists do have their say on issues but, because most politicians are men, it's mostly men who control policy, even though feminists are then blamed for those policies.

"If you want a civilized debate JR, it might be an idea to behave in a civilized manner. Your first post on this thread was aggressive and full of claims that you were unable to substantiate."

Below is my first post:

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I note that some of you seem concerned that a man (gasp) speaks up against feminist values (of blaming men for everything) and some have even denied that many feminists have blamed men for the banking crisis and such like.

So let me ask you, when Harriet Harman continually bashed on men during her reign as 'equality' (LMFAO) minister, did any single one of you take issue with her for her constant assaults at men?

Even in her book she claimed fathers are of no value at all - Did any one of you take issue with that?

No?

Oh... so it's only bad when a man speaks against an ideology (i.e. not 'women') of blaming and hating on men... but when that ideology of hating & blaming men (i.e. half the planet's population) is running rampant, you're all blind to it - Amazing!
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How is the above 'aggressive'? Sounds like you're trying to use victim mentality to justify oppressing any voice that doesn't cow-tow with your own.

But I DO substantiate my claims, in fact, this forum has substantiated much of my claims with their persistent blaming men, absolving women of any accountability for their own decisions & actions, name-calling and so forth.

omg you are privileged if you are male in comparison to a woman. Just as i am privileged as a white woman in comparison to a black woman. And as an able bodied person, in comparison to a person with a disability. And as a heterosexual person, in comparison to a lesbian. And as an educated person, in comparison to an uneducated one, etc.

Privileged doesn't mean you hob nob with Prince Harry. Not in this context. It's a basic political term which recognises that some groups suffer systematic discrimination. If you don't recognise that, then you're talking a different political language.

But we don't all support Harriet Harman. I am a conservative, I disagree with her on many issues. Women aren't a homogenous group who all take Harriet Harman seriously.

vesuvia has hit the nail on the head

'Feminists do have their say on issues but, because most politicians are men, it's mostly men who control policy, even though feminists are then blamed for those policies.'

Who do you think creates the equality laws and changes government policies? It's not feminists, it's not Harriet Harman. It goes to the vote and is voted in by MPs. They are mostly men. Feminist lobby groups aren't rich, they don't have the money that other lobby groups have, they aren't able to easily influence MPs.

If you are unhappy with government policy, don't have a go at us, contact your MP (who is probably male). Speak to those responsible. We have got no power.

JohnathonRocks2 wrote - "men already ARE 50% victims"

Is there a new survey out?

That figure is much higher than the recent claims of all the other men's rights activists I've encountered.