Men discriminated against from cradle to grave according to Dominic Raab MP

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Writing in an article on Politics Home, Dominic Raab MP for Esher and Walton has written:

"It is almost taboo for a man to question the assertion that the rapidly dwindling pay gap is the result of discrimination, rather than genuine choice. The debate has been consumed by the prejudice it seeks to purge."

"While we have some of the toughest anti-discrimination laws in the world, we are blind to some of the most flagrant discrimination ? against men. From the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal. Men work longer hours, die earlier, but retire later than women. "

Then there is the more subtle sexism. Men caused the banking crisis. Men earn more because they are more assertive in pay negotiations. One FT commentator recently complained that: ?High-flying women are programmed to go for high-flying men. Most men aren?t attracted to women who are more successful than they are.? Can you imagine the outrage if such trite generalisations were made about women, or other minorities? Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots."

"You can?t have it both ways. Either you believe in equality or you don?t. If you buy into the whole Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus theory of gender difference ? with all its pseudo science - you can?t then complain about inequalities of outcome that flow both ways from those essentially sexist distinctions."

What do you think MNetters?

Then omg, they were breaking the law.

Except for very specific occasions - MP, actors, carers etc., there is no such thing as positive discrimination. It's just sex discrimination and it's still illegal.

then let me give you the advice that men often give women when they complain of discrimination: sue.

there is a huge amount of unofficial discrimination against women. there may well be plenty against men as well. The result is men earning more money than women and holding most of the positions of power.

chibi Which part of he said that he wanted a women to fill that role didn't you understand.

If that wasn't what he wanted he would have said that I didn't have enough experience/qualifications etc... but he didn't.

Of course he's got some valid concerns, his scattergunned whingeing ensures that, but FFS to dress up a sustained whinge as a list of "valid concerns" when most of them are just pathetic whiney arsed whingeing about how awful it is now that women are sometimes allowed out, is jsut a big load of wank IMO.

Ooh, look, he said 2 things that were valid.

Big deal.

So why didn't you sue OMG?

then sue

you have a case under the equality act

unless the job you were going for was a place on an all-woman shortlist, or a very very select few others where being female is integral to the job, this is discrimination and illegal

I didn't say anywhere that there wasn't discrimination against women. What said was that dominic raab highlighted a few valid concerns. Like education the basis of our society being discriminate towards boys or the inequality in the nhs.

In what way is education discriminatory against boys?

And if it is, given that the Dept of Education has been run by men for the last 30 years, whose fault is it?

Inequality isn't a big deal to you herbex?

do you have any sources for your claims that our education system and the nhs discriminate against men and boys?

Who is the health secretary?

Whow were the health secretaries under Labour?

Who were the health secretaries under John Major's govnerments?

Once again, we are talking about organisations which are run at a senior decision making level by men. Like practically everyhting else in society.

Dominic Raab and his whiney arsed rants aren't a big deal to me omg.

And you knwo what, when women are 50% of government, 50% of bankers, 50% of FTSE 100 directors, do 50% of work, 50% of rape and sexual assault victims, have 50% of leisure and own 50% of property, then I'll read a whiney arsed whinge like that with a bit more patience.

ooh snap

i like the cut of your jib lady

Dominic Raab wrote - "Men work longer hours, die earlier, but retire later than women".

Men retire later and therefore have the advantage of larger pension in retirement. Most poor old people are female. Anyway, that retirement age difference is definitely going to be abolished in a few years.

Until about 1970, women were forced to "retire" from teaching and many other jobs when they got married and had children in their 20s, thereby being legally prevented from accruing pensions.

Male life expectancy is greatly influenced by biological factors, not just social factors. Male life expectancy was lower for those reasons before feminism.

I didn't blame anyone for the inequality in the education system nor the nhs I simply pointed out that they are valid concerns so I don't know why you seem to think I am blaming women for it.

Nice to hear that you don't care about inequality of anything else unless it effects you.

The methods used by schools to teach and reward qualifications are all methods which prefer and are more girl friendly. As a result boys get a worse education.

please can you provide any links which support your allegation that our education system discriminates

also any links re your allegation that the nhs discriminates against boys and men

it is really hard to argue against random assertions, i might say that the nhs discriminates against lefthanded people

:"Nice to hear that you don't care about inequality of anything else unless it effects you"

Bullshit. I care more about inequality that is systematic, ongoing and affects half of humanity, not some imagined inequality that whiney arsed middle class privileged white men imagine is going on every time they see a woman or a black man in a position of authority. Or even in an equal position to them.

"The methods used by schools to teach and reward qualifications are all methods which prefer and are more girl friendly. As a result boys get a worse education."

Evidence please?

Because it doesn't seem to affect them once they're in their thirties does it, when they're earning more than women because they're not being held back by being expected to do all the childcare and domestic labour in the house as well as a paid job.

Omg20 - "As a result boys get a worse education."

How many girls have been allowed to attend Eton College?

Chibi
I already provided a link for the hpv vaccine which I talked about in my post which costs mens lives.

Here is some for education:

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23796870-eton-head-says-uk-education-fails-boys.do

A video:

and many many other videos there aswell.

herbex
I am not middle class nor privileged but you still don't think these are valid concerns even when I point them out.

'Male life expectancy is greatly influenced by biological factors, not just social factors. Male life expectancy was lower for those reasons before feminism.'

vesuvia is eaxctly right, and of course Raab knows that too. I don't think he really believes that equality revolves around life expectancy, and the fact that he uses that argument shows that he is not really concerned about equality. I suspect he is using an argument he doesn't believe in, just to attack feminism.

If he really does care so much about equality, why doesn't he have a look at the shocking life expectancy figures for men and women in Glasgow. There is a reason for those figures and it would be nice to see him campaign to change those figures.

omg, hpv virus disproportionately affects women

and as to your eton link, that is really no different to saying 'o yah well my mate agrees with me so ner'

i meant links to studies, stats analysis, something concrete

"The joy of being privileged, is that you don't notice the discrimination suffered by the group of which you're not a member"

That works both ways... but feminists keep pretending only men have privileges.

Again with half a truth in order to demonize men and victimize women.

Privilege JR, not privileges. The way you've misused the term suggests you're not familiar with it. Have a little read of some basic feminist theory - it'll help.

It is concrete it is a head of a school and if you watch the video you will get the view of female teachers and parents.

Also you logic fails that is like saying breast cancer affects more women than men so men shouldn't be given treatment. what does it matter is only a small amount of people dying who cares eh?