Men discriminated against from cradle to grave according to Dominic Raab MP

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Writing in an article on Politics Home, Dominic Raab MP for Esher and Walton has written:

"It is almost taboo for a man to question the assertion that the rapidly dwindling pay gap is the result of discrimination, rather than genuine choice. The debate has been consumed by the prejudice it seeks to purge."

"While we have some of the toughest anti-discrimination laws in the world, we are blind to some of the most flagrant discrimination ? against men. From the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal. Men work longer hours, die earlier, but retire later than women. "

Then there is the more subtle sexism. Men caused the banking crisis. Men earn more because they are more assertive in pay negotiations. One FT commentator recently complained that: ?High-flying women are programmed to go for high-flying men. Most men aren?t attracted to women who are more successful than they are.? Can you imagine the outrage if such trite generalisations were made about women, or other minorities? Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots."

"You can?t have it both ways. Either you believe in equality or you don?t. If you buy into the whole Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus theory of gender difference ? with all its pseudo science - you can?t then complain about inequalities of outcome that flow both ways from those essentially sexist distinctions."

What do you think MNetters?

Seth don't be silly. Women are just one dimensional creatures. They must be, else they'd have to be engaged with as individuals and then it's just so hard to other them.

Here's another one, dadaz thread
Apparently we're a hive of man-hating lunatics. I prefer nest of vipers, oh well.

v pleased that i just saw this and found out the origin of some of the recent posters

very intelligent of him to state on a public forum his intention to troll.

and

"Curing feminist indoctrination"

Curing!!!!!

I expect they cure hysteria and inappropriate orgasming as well.

I think we'll probably recognise him...

bwahahahaha

"There isn't a defence for the questioning other than most of the posters there believe that when women are raped or attacked the man is to blame and that he should be punished."

Well... yes .

Gosh it feels good "to let loose [my] vitriol withing the confines of other man hating letharios and tools."

Hey you sexy feminist letharios.

:o Rhadegunde, quite.

See MN deleted me before when I said it, but they are thick aren't they?

loved his version of your comment HerBeX.."The above post was reported by me for it's blatant hate speech and use of excessive profanity. I don't recall exactly word for word, but it was unnecessarily insulting and derogatory"
God, they're pompous.

hahahaha

Whereas all his nonsense was necessarily insulting

And how does callnig someone thick constitute hate speech?

These MRA's are such a bunch of whiney arsed wimps aren't they?

They're so...unmanly.

Too true. They've even got inspirational quotes and tickers FFS! They're practically nethuns.

hahaha yes.

And, MRA-kittens, WE'LL decide what's necessary in terms of insults, thankyouverymuch :o

a) women's right to vote
Feminists do two things that are dishonest here:
1- they take credit for work of the suffragettes. The two groups were not the same and did NOT have the same goals. It also omits that the suffragettes wanted ONLY women to have the vote, not men.
2- It also implies that men had the vote for centuries prior to women... yet, it was only 10 years. This is just one more way feminists promote myths & hate against men.

b) women being allowed to own property
More dishonesty... Women could own property long, long before feminism. While I understand that it was wrong that women couldn't buy property directly, they could own it in several ways. Feminist lies about history only serve to demonstrate their bizarre need of an honour badge of victim, when in fact women were held in great esteem by the vast majority of men.

c) women being protected (in theory) from beatings by their husbands
While doing nothing for men and pretending ONLY women are victims.

d) the network of help and refuges for women and children fleeing from vilence
As above.

e) equal pay legislation
Shame it doesn't promote equal work - instead Harman has been told off more than once for the way she misrepresents the data. The deceptions she uses (including one time by subtely comparing Full time men with Part time women...) again demonstrate the bizarre need for feminist to portray women as eternal victims.

f) the right to obtain contraception and abortion for free
For women only while defending inequality that affect men, such as men's zero input on issues that will affect his future as much as hers.

g) the legal right to live free from rape or other sexual violence
For women only while pretending women don't do these things to men.

h) the right of a woman to freely choose her sexual partner(s)
Same for men.

i) the right to paid time off while she gives birth and recovers from giving birth
I'd go with that.. to a degree, though I can't understand why a company must pay her for her choice (remember, men have no input on this issue) to get pregnant, meaning other employees pick up where she left off.

suggestions:
j) take responsibility instead of always promoting the notion that all problems are the fault of men.

you are thick skinned aren't you..

not sure abouut the skinned bit

although, it sounds like he has had a few drinks too many

Claig indeed..... :)

JR3rd "i) ...(remember, men have no input on this issue) to get pregnant, meaning other employees pick up where she left off."

Did you really mean to say this? I'm not a Christian and don't believe in the virgin birth, but even those that do only believe it happened once!

As for your other points - you seem a little confused. For example, the suffragettes were only concerned about women having the vote and not men, because men already had the vote. It wasn't an issue.

And men were already free to choose their sexual partners.

Help and refuges for women fleeing from violence are set up and run by women. Men are entirely free to set up their own establishments if they wish. Perhaps you could do it, as you seem so concerned.

Feminists do not state that all problems are the fault of men, rather they highlight those that are. As for taking responsibility, may I suggest that you pay heed to your own suggestion.

Do you know, I was actually thinking of suffragists AND suffragettes?

But, you know, you haven't exactly provided much evidence there have you, for any of your so-called arguments? I KNOW for instance that married women weren't allowed to earn property before the latter half of the 19th century. There is ample evidence to prove this, it's not 10 thousand years ago, they had printing presses and newspapers then that adequately recorded the state of things.

And out of interest, why do you think women weren't allowed to buy property? And would you have called this an injustice at the time?

Just going back to the suffragette point. Does it matter whether men only had the vote for 10 years? (and I dispute this claim) Surely the fewer years, the shorter time, an injustice is perpetrated the better? It was unfair from the very first men-only vote, however long ago.