Porn

[msrisotto]

Tentative!

Um, the way I see it is that a lot of porn (I have heard) is appallingly violent and degrading for women. This stuff, ideally wouldn't exist and should be banned (how, I don't know, but ideally).

However, the porn that I have seen or enjoyed is not. I wouldn't enjoy porn that is degrading.

So, why is all porn bad? (in some people's opinions?) If it isn't degrading and is equal in its approach, for the entertainment of others, then I don't see any harm.

Is the argument that you don't get the 'good' porn without the bad?

Don't flame me please, I really want this to be a considered conversation.

Hmm, better ban glasses and knives too. And cars. And bicycles. And hammers. etc. etc. etc.

My orgasm has nothing to do with a teenager. If they are accessing internet porn, they need better parenting or education.

Would you also argue that people have sexual preferences towards homosexuality (or heterosexuality) because of society? Or is there a possibility that sexual identity could be innate?

Just curious, for those who say all porn is evil/immoral/degrading to women:

what do you think of porn which couples make themselves for their own personal use?

watching people having sex is sexy.

get over it for fucks sake.

"what do you think of porn which couples make themselves for their own personal use?"

I quite like them myself. Embarassing when you forget where you've put them though

Or is there a possibility that sexual identity could be innate?

Eh? Sexual identity i.e heterosexual or homosexual has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual expression. And it doesn't harm women. So why did you bring that up?

sorry, not sexual expression, I mean sexual tastes. Because that's all we're talking about here. The right of some people to their sexual tastes. Sex rules, right? Fuck everything else.
Are people so lacking in imagination that they believe if porn is banned their sex lives will suffer. For me that it a perfect example of how porn stifles people's sexuality

"Eh? Sexual identity i.e heterosexual or homosexual has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual expression. And it doesn't harm women. So why did you bring that up?"

Actually. many bdsm participants argue that their identification as dom/sub/puppy/foot fetishist or whatever is absolutely as innate as their gender preference.

And if my dh and I wanted to beat each other black and blue in the bedroom, it makes absolutely no difference to how 'women' on the whole are treated.

porn will never be banned so don't sweat it.

and what's imagination got to do with it?

"in the bedroom"

YOu see. I agree with that part, Carmen. What you do in the bedroom is totally up to you. But what has people's sex life in the bedroom got to do with this thread?

BDSM could be innate. But as long as it's getting rammed down our throat from birth, we'll never know. I remember watching a kiddy cartoon at the age of eight, Dogtanian. The female dog was tied up. THe image affected my child's mind so much it has stayed with me to this day.

"and what's imagination got to do with it?"

Ever read the book then watched the film?

Ooh, better ban Dogtanian too then

"Ooh, better ban Dogtanian too then"

That's an intelligent argument.
YOu bring up a totally unrelated issue to this thread, about whether people actually enjoy certain tastes, and I engage with you saying they are probably implanted from birth, and you come out with that

Anyway, back to porn. Porn has an effect on society and it harms and damages a lot of women, who are only doing it because they're getting paid. Can we focus on that please?

I have engaged with you thoroughly.

Why not ban Dogtanian? Apparently it conditioned you to like being tied up or something.

Yes. Some women are only making porn films because they are being paid. Some people are only telemarketing because they are being paid. If they haven't been forced into it, there's no problem. Adult women, freedom to use their resources as they wish.

"Why not ban Dogtanian?"

Or why not sack the (male) idiot in the boardroom who thought it'd be a good idea to have a female tied up in a pink dress waiting in a dark room to be "rescued" by a male.

"Some people are only telemarketing because they are being paid. If they haven't been forced into it, there's no problem. "

Telemarketing is a soul-destroying shit job as well. The fact that the majority of people in these shit jobs are women is a massive feminist issue. YOu know women are poorer than men, don't you. That's why they have to take any job they can get. Do you think women would eat shit, I mean literally eat shit, if they'd been born wealthy?

But plenty of men end up on the front line in the military or in heavy manual work.

I think perhaps I'd rather eat shit than have my legs blown off.

I think you should change your sentence:

"But plenty of not wealthy men end up on the front line in the military or in heavy manual work.

Do you think the wealthy, the men who actually start the wars, send their own sons to the front line.
Actually that is a branch of feminism too, the way that powerful men shit on poorer men and all women.

someone's never seen gay porn.

and what's wrong with watching a film?

jeez.

so. we must all read books, not watch films and not watch others having sex.

then all women shall be freeeeee.

and what the hell was that about wealthy people not sending their sons to the front line? are you insane? 'the way that powerful men shit on poorer men and all women'.

that one beggers belief.

you're keeping me amused though.

"someone's never seen gay porn."

WHo you?

A minority of men are just as exploited as women. The difference is it's not women doing the exploiting. And it still holds true that gay men have more power as a group than women. But please see what I just wrote about wealthier men shitting on poorer men.

HOwever, this topic is not about the men. If men want to come here and fight against porn, they're welcome to join us.

"so. we must all read books, not watch films and not watch others having sex."

Seriously? YOu seriously read that into my point. Okay, I'll break it down.

Nothing a porn film can show you can beat your imagination. And if it can then you have a limited imagination, which has probably been limited by porn.

why is it a competition between imagination and film?

why can't both exist and be appreciated separately?

and actually, what i do for a living relies 50% on my imagination but i can appreciate and enjoy a film, whether it be pornographic or otherwise.

you assume too much.

Hmm, you've told me to go away and eat shit, have cocks stuck up my arse and several other things on this thread. Because I disagree with your viewpoint.

Yet somehow you're apparently still morally superior to the mysterious abusive patriarchy.