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Spoiler The Potter Thread for those who have finished the book

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happymerryberries · 17/07/2005 21:31

This is for everyone who knows what has happened and wants to chat about what will come next

Spoilers Space

I think that a lot of the next one will be in Grimauld place.

Sirius' brother is the person who stole the Locket (idea pinched from a clever mate of mine)

Dumbledore ordered Sirius to 'do the deed' and Sirius is a triple agent

I still think Percy Weasly will turn out to be a 'good egg'

Another good idea stolen from someone else is that part of Vodermorts soul is held in Harry's scar!!!! Damn clever that I thought!!!

Spoiler for people who read from the bottom, so to speak!

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expatinscotland · 21/07/2005 16:21

If Dumbledore is in fact dead, and Hogwarts remains open, won't he be able to communicate thru his portrait? Phinneus Black does.

Will McGonagall be headmistress?

flamesparrow · 21/07/2005 16:22

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Wasn't sure if they needed to be dead a while before they could talk through portrait (like the cunning loophole in Charmed for why Prue never came back as a ghost "she needed time to adjust to death before communicating again" )

expatinscotland · 21/07/2005 16:46

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Don't think they need to be dead, just no longer head of Hogwarts.

trefusis · 22/07/2005 10:39

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expatinscotland · 22/07/2005 10:43

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Personally I think Snape made the Unbreakable Vow to keep up Bellatrix Lestrange's belief in him that he really is a Death Eater and loyal to Voldemort. She was really, really goading him in that first chapter. And Bellatrix's spouse was his schoolmate.

I don't think he was in love w/Lilly. I think it's more a case of James Potter and Sirius Black having been everything he ever wanted to be - popular, funny, good-looking.

cupcakes · 22/07/2005 13:20

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I agree with the R.A.B. theory - totally didn't think it myself when reading it though!
I do think that Dumbledore is genuinely dead and that Snape is evil - I'm probably alone in that though! Maybe because that's what JK Rowling wants us to think and I'm happy to go along with that so that any revelations and twists in book 7 will be as exciting as possible! I do think that maybe he will be regenerated like a phoenix.
I'm not convinced that Sirius is dead though.
Read this very long interview with JK Rowling on the CBBC website which makes me feel that Dumbledore is a goner. It also implies that the role of Fawkes is significant to book 7.
I actually think that Ginny was very pretty in the films and just right - she hasn't been described as a huge stunner in book 6, just as someone Harry fell for through her personality. I hope they don't think they have to drastically transform her into a 'siren' just because she becomes a love interest.

alexsmum · 22/07/2005 14:51

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ooh i love all this!!
i really think that dumbledore is dead.if he wasn't, surely his portrait wouldn't have appeared in his office?

i think that snape has made un unbreakable vow to dumbledore as well to malfoys mum. i think he has to protect harry. i think the reason he is so pissed off when harry calls him a coward is because he has just done the bravest thing of his life- killing dumbledore to fulfill a promise. now he knows that fighting voldemort will be much harder.
do you remember that dumbledore told harry that when you kill someone , your soul is torn in two. he doesn't want that to happen to malfoy- he wants to preserve what good there is.hence snape killing dumbledore.

expatinscotland · 22/07/2005 15:00

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GREAT theory, Alexmum! I've been trying to figure out why Snape hadn't served up Harry to Voldemort despite many chances. And how he kept telling Harry 'no' and 'don't' during the battle after Dumbledore's murder. Also, he was still giving Harry instruction despite Harry's attempts to kill him - telling him his curses would always be blocked until he learned to close his mind and shut his mouth.

Your Unbreakable Vow theory makes sense.

lilymum · 22/07/2005 18:38

Phew, how on earth is JK going to get all this sorted out in just one more book?! Expect it to be even longer than usual...

sassy · 23/07/2005 16:47

I liked this one much more than 5, but did think it was too long (again..)

So.. wot I think is..

Like the RAB theories here. Very plausible, as is the theory that Snape used a non-verbal spell on Dumbledore, while pretending to use the killing spell. BUT I think that D is dead. I agree with whoever said that all harry's parent/protector figures have died so he had to die too so H can face LV alone.
I don't think H is final horcrux. If this was so, part of LV's soul will die as he destroys H. Certainly not the scar - this was a result of the time LV attcked H (who was protected by Lily's love) and LV would have had to split his soul at the same instant he was fighting for his life. Not likely IMO. Mouth organ is a distinct possibility though.

One of the Weasley's will die in the last book - Ron or Ginny. The family have had too many near-misses as a result of associating with H (mr W alluded to this in the book) and H loses things that aremost dear t him .

Still wonder if H will die in final battle. I was thinking not,cos of the kiddies, but sh hasn't shied away from upsetting them in the scene with the corpses!

cupcakes · 23/07/2005 20:40

yes, I think one of the Weasleys will die too - there have been so many references to Mrs Weasley's clock you just know one day it will point to death. I don't think it'll be Ron or Ginny though, more likely someone like Percy.
I definitely think there will be a triumphant, happy ending and I really can't see her killing off anymore of Harry's loved ones. Not in the final book.
Does anyone think that the final horcrux will be a Griffindor object? It seems unlikely as Dumbledore says the only artifact is the sword which Harry has already used but it would seem appropriate in one way - Voldemort placing it unknown yet protected and safe amongst his enemies.

sassy · 24/07/2005 09:27

BTW, got all 'English teacher' about this yesterday and started seeing literary crit stuff in it.

Like.. Harry, Hermione and Ron vs LV = Holy Trinity vs Satan ?

I know, I need to get out more!

nerdgirl · 24/07/2005 11:21

Cupcakes, I don't think there's an entry for 'Dead' on the Weasley clock. 'Mortal Peril' is up there at the 12 o'clock spot, implying it's the worst thing on it and all nine hands are stuck there.

Agree at least one of the Weasleys is toast though.

Have to say, I still love the Harry's scar as a horcrux idea!

cupcakes · 24/07/2005 19:19

yes, I think you're right. Obviously totally dreamt that up!

Dior · 24/07/2005 19:41

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compo · 24/07/2005 19:43

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I think Dumbledore was pleading with Snape to do what he had to do because Snape might not have been able to go through with it. Snape is all good and working for Dumbledore.

Tyakit · 24/07/2005 20:36

Hope no one minds me joining in. Finished HBP last week and feeling very post-Potter.

My theory is also that Harry's scar is the final horcrux and that he is the Gryffindor 'object'. I think that Harry maybe related to Godric Gryffindor in some way. His parents lived in Godric's Hollow after all. What was James Potter's parentage - we never hear much about him. Perhaps Voldy went to Godric's Hollow with the intention of killing James and making his son a horcrux and the spell backfired in some way??

janeite · 24/07/2005 22:32

Ooh - like the Godric Griffindor/Godric's Hollow link very much!!!!

nerdgirl · 25/07/2005 09:49

Great theory, Tyakit! Love the idea of a showdown between a descendent of Slytherin and a descendant of Gryffindor!

Aragon · 25/07/2005 09:50

Harry's parentage. JKR says that James Potter's parents were witch and wizard but Lily's parents were muggles who died normal muggle deaths. Not thought about the Godric Gryffindor connection before - interesting.

expatinscotland · 25/07/2005 10:08

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On another website some readers are saying Ginny Weasley is the Gryffindor horcrux.

After all, Voldemort was trying to kill Harry, not make him into a horcrux. AND, when his curses rebounded onto him b/c of Lilly's jinx, he was left barely alive, so would he have had the strength left to perform the powerful magic needed to make Harry a horcrux?

In Chamber of Secrets, Voldemort confesses that he 'poured a little of his soul' into Ginny.

She's a pureblood wizard as well.

SoupDragon · 25/07/2005 10:12

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But did anyone get killed in the Chamber of Secrets? Don't you need to kill someone to make a horcrux?

Who witnessed Voldemort's attack on Lily & Harry? I can't remember. Is the source trustworthy? Could it be the act of creating a 7th horcrux that let him barely alive?

nerdgirl · 25/07/2005 10:16

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Exactly Soupy, we have always assumed that Voldemorts mission in seeking out Harry was to destroy him, not pervert him into his own little insurance policy.

And the act of splitting his soul for the last time coupled with Lily's protection may have been too much for him.

So no one has ever survived the Avada Kedava curse not even Dumbledore IMHO.

Aragon · 25/07/2005 10:19

JKR in her interview would not be drawn about how many people witnessed the deaths of James and Lily making me think there's more to this than we know - also at the end of HBP Harry said he was going to revisit Godric's Hollow. Hmmm!

milosmum · 25/07/2005 18:16

im agreeing more and more with the whole Snape being a goodie thing! think he deffo had an unbreakable vow with dumbledore to protect Harry and he was pleeding with snape to follow through with it.

Unsure about the Horcrux though. Wheni first read it on here i thought it was a great idea but then could it really be that clear? She (JK) can really throw you off the scent sometimes...