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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

OP posts:
WineGless · 21/10/2012 20:24

Mrs HP that's awful and how rude- your poor DD.Sounds like you had a nice day together to make up for it though.

B: Greek yoghurt
L chicken and green salad with mayo
D: pot roast beef with cauli and broccoli. DH had made it whilst I was working and put parsnips and carrots in too couldn't make a big fuss seeing as we are only just speaking.
3l of water and went to gym before I started work in effort to kick me out of my depression

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 21/10/2012 20:48

Cocked up tonight and had gravy on my roast pork Shock, I'd poured it and started eating before I even noticed. It was Bisto Best (in a glass jar), does anyone know how bad gravy powder is? Never given it much thought but the ingredients don't exactly look lc.
Quick question re kale crisps. Can you make these with the shredded kale from the supermarket or do I need to find whole leaves.

Brasssection · 21/10/2012 20:56

Sorry, I meant the John west hot smoked salmon. It is 800+ calories but that's for the whole packet which is huge. Still, v low carb and absolutely delicious. Very scared about mini pill now as quite new to using it. I was thinking of a coil but wonder if that would have the same effect?

Brilliant news on Substracting the fibre. I was worried about some of the counts for veg. Thanks for that. And for the yummy cabbage recipe, the cream and butter one. It is truly one of the best things I have eve eaten.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 21/10/2012 21:02

Oh Mrs Hp how horrible for your dd, still I bet flashing shoes have gone a long way to cheering her up. Did you text to enquire about party? I hope there is nothing wrong their end, sudden illness or whatever.

Brunch pancetta, leeks and mushrooms fried in butter with a fried egg
Snack one big turkey and pork sausage (eaten in car park outside Lidl cos I was starving, got a couple of funny looks haha)
Tea mussels. After I'd scoffed them, realised they were in a white wine sauce, duh, but carbs on label on packet seemed not too bad.

Feeling the Lidl love yet again, ladies, got loads and laods of veggies, cold meats, stewing steak, chicken, pâté, yoghurt and other stuff (bread and biscuits for dh and ds bah) for thirty quid. Fab. And the mussels I've just had for tea after work, precooked, bung in micro for 4 mins, absolutely Delish. They recommended on packet crusty bread and a glass of cold white wine, the tempting bastards, so I've raised my glass of sparkling water in a LC salute to their serving suggestion.

Some water, probably not enough so going to try to drink another litre before bed. Two coffees with cream, yum.

Feel a bit bloated but think its probably lack of salad and water this weekend. No excuses now my fridge is packed full!

Viperidae · 21/10/2012 22:13

Have you had Lidl meat before toomuch? I was put off by the incredible shrinking pork belly slices which came out of the oven about a third of the size they went in so haven't been back since. Maybe I just got the odd wrong thing.

Had a lovely tea. DH made chilli but without beans which I had with cauliflower rice, guacamole and sour cream. Even better because I didn't have to cook it! I do feel as though I'm focussing on food a lot, although not in a dieting kind of way, more in a meal planning way.

I have been a bit naughty today though. DD discovered our local sweetshop sells sugarfree sweets and, trying to be kind, bought me some fruit chews. I was going to be good but ate 4, they are quite nice for sugarfree although I won't make them a habit

JessicaWakefield · 21/10/2012 22:37

Just back from weekend with PILs who have been brilliant about accommodating this woe. MIL bought Atkins to get her head around things and FIL is a total low carb convert (although not sure he completely gets it as he'll have cheese instead of pudding with a big bunch of grapes, or a fry up for breakfast with a glass of orange juice) but overall his diet is loads better, he's lost weight and he feels great eating delicious food. Because they're so on board with it all was very easy to stay on track although I think I may have been a bit too greedy generous portion-wise.

Doshusallie I'm sorry that you had such a rubbish end to your week - do hope that you're feeling a bit better about things now. And WineGless sympathies with your work uncertainty and issues with DH and early waking. FWIW I think most kids seem hard wired to get up crazy early. My two (6mo and 2.2 years) are up at 6am if not before without fail - just seems to be the way that they're built!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 21/10/2012 22:40

Hi viper, I have had chicken from there before and it was fine, so I thought I would try the beef this time for a stew later in the week, will report back!!

Lidl only opened near me about a year ago and I only really started using them about 5 to 6 months ago cos I got fed up of my local Tesco pissing about with pricing, putting prices up one week so they could then bring them down the following week and say look! Half price till we put them back up again next week!! Feckers, do they think we are buttoned up the back?

I usually use my local butcher for meat as they are fab but pricey, but as am having more on this woe, I wanted to try Lidls to help keep the costs down.

Viperidae · 21/10/2012 22:51

We got a Lidl fairly recently too which is why I was asking. I've only been the once and, having said that about their pork, I did once have disappearing beef from Tesco although they gave me a refund an replacement when I complained. Our local butcher is ludicrously expensive compared to the supermarkets and Costco, although our nearest Costco is almost 50miles away so I only go when I can fill the freezer.

They've just started building an Aldi quite close to me so that may be useful when it is finished.

motherofluvlies · 21/10/2012 22:52

Ok bad bad diet weekend.chinese and Indian so probably all the weight back on.not looking forward to tomorrow now.no excuse other than was feeling really crap from t,he bug and then the triplets went away overnight.( but it all tasted gorgeous so it was mindful eating)I must get back on the wagon tomorrow.I just can't bear the thought of fat.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 21/10/2012 23:18

winegless I've just done my donation form on the Xmas appeal thread. 23:17, last minute lassie that's me!! Thanks for the reminder.

Viperidae · 21/10/2012 23:18

motherofluvlies I did that last weekend, we all do it now and again. I put mine down as a learning experience

Just remember the journey analogy, I console myself with this after cheating. Losing weight is like a journey you can go on the motorway (no fun but get there quick) or the scenic route (takes longer but you enjoy yourself on the way). You just took a little scenic detour, tomorrow the journey resumes Smile

Boobz · 22/10/2012 05:13

Weighed in, just the 1lb lighter this week, taking me to 121lbs, and a total loss of 8.6lbs since Oct 1st.

ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 22/10/2012 07:08

Weighed in, no loss but I just spent a weekend in a lush spa hotel with the girls, annual luxury weekend away and I didn't skimp on the food or wine, so not bad that I didn't gain, considering that. Back on the wagon once I got home yesterday and should see the results by next weigh in. Staying on bootcamp.
Hi to all!

hurricanewyn · 22/10/2012 07:13

Have updated the spreadsheet - another 3.5 off for me Grin.

MrsHP - that's awful. I'm really angry on your behalf. In fact, if you're anywhere near South Wales your DD can come round mine for a tea party.

Brasssection · 22/10/2012 07:44

Another question, if I may. How accurate is MFP for carb counts? Is it really ok to simply substract fibre from carb counts? I just tried this with Brussels sprouts but it gave me a reading of 5 carbs per 100 gr but BIWI said 3.5 and I refuse to believe she could be wrong.
Thanks again.

EwanHoozami · 22/10/2012 07:53

oh MrsHP that's a bit heartbreaking, poor DD. Rudeness like that gives me the fury.

Only 1lb down this morning but berries, dairy and a bar of lidl's 74% have all featured a bit too heavily.

I've promised DS a morning's baking so I must be strong!

BigBroomstickBIWI · 22/10/2012 08:08

Week 4 thread here

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