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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

492 replies

BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

OP posts:
WineGless · 20/10/2012 09:06

DH and I had massive argument this morning over DC.

tempertemper · 20/10/2012 09:40

Oh no wineglass. Hope things are calmer now!

Am so premenstrual. Also, we are TTC (7m in) so bit gutted again that I can tell period is coming. I get insatiable carb cravings so am trying hard to stay on the wagon. I find it so easy to resist temptation when my hormones are out of the equation!
B: tablespoon frozen blueberries. 100g total yoghurt. 6 macademias. Coffee (decaf) with dot of cream.

Aiming to miss lunch and have early big tea instead...will be working and distracted, plus overate a bit last night (biwi, damn you for telling me about pb and total. Am not replenishing my stores of on as the temptation is too great!)

Considering slow roast spiced lamb, or marsala meatballs and coconut dipping sauce for tea. Mmm. And lotsofof good stuff of sky plus for a cosy night. Long walk this afternoon after worl - its a gorgeous day out there.

BigBroomstickBIWI · 20/10/2012 10:13
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sorry, temper!

OP posts:
WineGless · 20/10/2012 10:31

Temper sorry to hear that. Its hard for you (hugs)
Here's hoping for BFP soon

MrsHerculePoirot · 20/10/2012 10:37

Temper know exactly how you feel. We are TTC too - took ages for DD, then took a year second time and ended in mc and has been 7/8 months since mc now. Every month just when AF is due, and you just know, it is hard so hard not just to fall into comfort eating.

Doshusallie · 20/10/2012 12:15

Oh no wine gless what about? The only things DH and I ever argue about are the DCs and money.......Sad

Lunch - 2 slices of corn beef with cucumber and a boiled egg.

sybilfaulty · 20/10/2012 13:59

Sorry to everyone going through tough times and / or finding WOE hard. I haven't been great the last few days and a few bits of crap have crept in (you know, the odd square of choc, the odd mouthful of leftover pasta (why? Not even nice pasta)) and I feel bloated and fat. I need lots more water and lots more LC food.

If I did decide to give up dairy, would this include butter as well or is that allowed?

Made kale crisps last night. My kale was in a bag already cut, so they were a bit greasy and not unlike seaweed from the takeaway but it stopped me diving in to the hula hoops. Duck tonight. Yippee!

Viperidae · 20/10/2012 14:48

Just sending hugs to all those having a tough time both life-wise and diet-wise. Life-wise I have no wonderful solutions but diet-wise I am getting my head around a spot of internal bargaining, this may not help you all but it is helping me as I re-educate my taste buds.

I tell myself I am allowed just one cheat per week (although it isn't compulsory) which I tend to save for the weekend and, whenever I am tempted by something, weigh up if it is worth it as my one thing. This has enabled me to refuse a few things I would otherwise have snarfed over the week as it makes me prioritise them instead of eating mindlessly and, as I know I can have something if I really want it, I don't feel in any way deprived. Might sound weird as the food is so good on this WOE I shouldn't feel deprived anyway but it works for me to know I can give in to a craving without guilt within reason. Today I haved reached the weekend without having anything naughty and not wanting anything particular either so I won't go out of my way to look for it.

When I say that works for me, sometimes it makes me learn the hard way. Last weekend I had a few fat chips and a pudding at a dinner out that would not have been too bad otherwise and the following day I ate really stupidly. It has taken me all this week (and a lot of angst!) to get my weight back down to what it was last weekend pre-pigout. I have now learned in my bargaining that that cheat (or few!) was not worth it for a full week and I won't do that again.

On the subject of good food Tesco have Rainbow Trout fillets in their value range for about £2 for 2. I baked them, split them between DH, DD and I, topped each with a poached egg, blob of creme fraiche, spoonful of salmon caviar and a sprig of dill! Twas lush! DH says it's like living in a restaurant!

WineGless · 20/10/2012 14:52

DH has issues with DS behaviour whereas I think his behaviour is improving.dh has unrealistic expectations of a 6 yr olds behaviour. He is under CAHMS for separation anxiety from me and has not formed a bond with DH yet. It's been a tough year in lots of ways.
This morning DS woke us up at 7 am whereas it's normally 6. I personally think that's ok. One of the issues with him waking early is my shifts. DH wow ever shouted at him and has been in a strop because he thinks he should sleep in on the weekends! Errr hello....

DH gone off to play golf and am stewing over it all

tempertemper · 20/10/2012 15:20

Thanks all. Have 2 children already, so v lucky really. But Dd took a year to conceive and am several years older with even more dodgy cycle now. If it never happened, I can't really complain, but would dearly love another to complete the family.

The no lunch thing failed. Went out and had eggs Benedict. But on mushroom not a muffin: yum. Also had another handful of nuts!

Heading out for a walk soon. Will need to, to have any appetite left for dinner!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 20/10/2012 15:34

Oh winegless that is shit. Tell your DH from me that I do not know of ONE SINGLE 6 year old in our group ( I also have a 6 year old Ds) that sleeps in. They all just get up at their usual time, day in day out. And none of us really expect them to until they hit teenage years!!

I am struggling a bit today as insomnia hit last night, was awake between 2 and 6am then awake again with Ds at 730. Before this WOE I would have carb loaded throughout the day but am trying to stick to LC options.

B 2 boiled eggs mashed with butter, 2 coffees (I need something!)
Snack half a slice of ham filled with Philly
L mushrooms, leeks and chorizo fried, creme fraiche stirred through, fruit tea.

Very tired now so just chilling on the sofa with the dog while Ds plays with a wee chum in the garden. DH is cleaning the car. Wonder if anyone would notice if I have a quick power nap?

WineGless · 20/10/2012 15:55

It's just one issue but I don't know how to get through to him. It's all getting too much for me and have been awful with children today just no patience. It's a long and convoluted story but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Too much - get your head down for a wee nap!

sybilfaulty · 20/10/2012 16:59

Wine, my nearly 6 year old is always up at 6, no matter how badly slept she is or what time she went to bed. My nearly 8 year old sleeps in til, wowsers, about 7 but the 3 year old and the 5 year old are always up and about. I get up at 6 in the week, trying to leave them til 6.30 but to no avail. I don't think sleeping in comes til the teenage years. Sorry you and dh have had words. Can you nip out and buy a mag or something to cheer yourself up?

Just eaten some lovely pork scratchings. Must rein it in though as I need to snack during strictly!

Doshusallie · 20/10/2012 17:10

My ds is a really early riser. 6, 6.15 most mornings. He does not have separation anxiety, but he and DH really clash and DH has bonded much more with Ds1 than with ds2. I can relate wine, as I too think dh has totally unrealistic expectations of a 6 year old can be expected to behave. Having said that ds2 is "on report" with us after parents evening on Tuesday so maybe I have spoilt him.

Have had yet another boiled egg and 2 slices of ham as snacks. Knowing I am going to drink wine tonight I am already eyeing up a glass......at 17.10..... Wrong......

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 20/10/2012 17:21

Ah winegless, I was just about to nap when the "mum is about to have some time to herself" alarm must have gone off and the boys came thundering in asking for juice, snacks and cartoon time. Am going to make a really simple salmon thing for tea then hopefully hit the sack about 2 minutes after Ds does.

Am quite proud that even though I feel like death warmed up, I haven't carbed yet.

Viperidae · 20/10/2012 17:51

Sympathies to you all with the early rising DCs, I had one of those and it is hard work. We managed as DH is happy to get up at the crack of dawn and have a nap in the afternoon whereas I am just a witch if tired.

Don't feel too bad Wine, I think many men have unrealistic expectations of children. Some years ago FIL, then a magistrate, told me that DS (aged 3) would be in front of him in court if I didn't improve his behaviour! All because DS cried after being dragged around millions of shops by MIL. We can laugh about it 20 years later, I certainly didn't laugh then! It will get better, I promise.

EwanHoozami · 20/10/2012 19:28

Manly slap on the back here from me to those suffering with non-sleeping children.

If anyone remembers my thread about the Incredible Non-Sleeping Three Year Old and the unexpected advice I received from our pediatrician, I can reveal that it's NOT bloody working. Hellish day. 3yo is miserable with tiredness and his tantrums are getting violent. I feel like crying.

I did have some nice salmon, but he's been playing up for the last hour and I've fucking burned it. Tin of tuna it is, then :(

tartiflette · 20/10/2012 19:36

Christ I am with you all on the no sleep thing. My twins dd's are 2.5 and we are on our knees... Gutted about your salmon Ewan. I'm off the wagon tonight and having fizz and chilli nachos. Will regret it come Monday no doubt but we have a rare child free night and I don't want to be a bore for DH re. His choice of dinner (since will no doubt be letting him down gently later on iykwimWink)

NewStartSameStory · 20/10/2012 19:58

Ewan - I would repeat my advice to you and ask directly about Melatonin. It made a huge huge different to ds. I remember the days of very very violent tempertantrums. It is nasty.

Ds breaks the mold he is 7 and will happily sleep til whenever. Although it is often 10pm before he goes to bed. The big bonus is that he is capable of being trusted and enjoys having the morning to himself so a lie in is often granted in the morning. Well after he has thundered in to announce he is awake/shout whatever question it is he needs answering. Worse mess it typically a bit of breakfast making spillage and the hell that is the lego battles also know and covering the floor with lego so there is no way mum can get to kettle without standing on at least one unseen piece

Been a hellish end of week/weekend so far. Away tomo for a few days and being catered for Hmm so expect my weigh in wed morning (sorry earliest can do) will not be kind. I reckon it's going to take quite a while for this woe to really get a grip with my brain and the two to connect properly but the changes so far are making me feel so much better when ignoring the injury issues

Hope next week is a better one for everyone. Onwards and downwards.

NewStartSameStory · 20/10/2012 20:04

I suppose I should have said that ds' sleep cycle is a direct result of the melatonin used to treat his sleep disorder when he was younger.

AuntieMaggie · 20/10/2012 20:10

Sending positive thoughts and hugs to you ladies. Hope things get better for all of you.

Breakfast - egg and 2 bacon
Lunch - Harvester platter and salad minus chips, pineapple
Dinner - Aldi Bratwurst with veg

tempertemper · 20/10/2012 20:19

My 6 year old and 3 year old get up at whatever time I set on their grobag clock. I swear, that thing is amazing. Can't recommend highly enough. If ds wants to be up before then, he knows he has to play quietly in his bedroom: dire emergencies excepted, natch.

You start setting clock early then gradually stretch to a reasonable time. Works a treat for us.

Ps my dinner delicious, heavenly but as a result ate mahoosive portion. Still feeling the period coming fuck it appetite. Had a Marcus wareing recipe - beef hash with fried egg. Adapted it to take out black beans. Served with Savoy cabbage and celeriac chips. NOM.

tempertemper · 20/10/2012 20:22

Ah, just seen your post re sleep disorder: grobag clock may be a tad simplistic! Sorry.

Brasssection · 20/10/2012 20:31

Sorry to crash but I have been lurking and have got so much out of these threads. Thanks! Can you tell me, wise women, WTF this isn't working for me? I have done 2 weeks of no bread, pasta, rice etc... Only low carb veg, cheese, eggs, butter and fish, full fat yoghurt in moderation and no booze (really a miracle for me). And I have last NOTHING, not a pound. And I have shredded 5 or 6 days a week. I am devastated. Any ideas?

catstail · 20/10/2012 20:33

brass, you must surely have lost some inches though?

I look like Ive lost a lot more than I really have lost.