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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

492 replies

BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

OP posts:
caramelwaffle · 19/10/2012 12:35

Felt utterly rubbish and fell spectacularly off the wagon over three days, as it were.

Fruit juice (a little), rice pancakes, hoi sin sauce, Gin (tastes awful so why, just why?) palm sugar in Thai chicken soup a handful of cheesy wotsit type "crisps".

Overall, the calories in have been fairly/relatively low, however, the scales are up - more importantly body shape and energy levels have become more negative.

Lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise is a huge factor in this.

Back on wagon today and Bootcamp original it is for a couple of weeks.

Will read rest of thread in a little while.

Good luck with weigh-ins everyone.

WillieWaggledagger · 19/10/2012 12:38

vnmum i don't have a freezer so am not really clued up on how long you should freeze things for, but my mum is on a mission to eat things out of the freezer (she has two enormous chest freezers in the garage and seems to have been filling them for a nuclear holocaust) and she has been eating pheasant casserole that is probably two years old and she seems fine!

if you dated them and felt that something needed eating and you didn't have a night shift coming up you could just take it home?

Doshusallie · 19/10/2012 12:41

Vnmum - Tescos do low carb ready meals - I regularly buy their chicken breasts wrapped in bacon and cheese, which is lovely. There is a steak one with peppercorn sauce to which was ok but less nice. hmmmm, not sure if they are doable in the microwave though....... Hmm

caramelwaffle · 19/10/2012 13:10

THc

Here are the water quantities:

Your Weight--Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

TheHumancatapult · 19/10/2012 13:23

Thank you I better get drinking more then

Doshusallie · 19/10/2012 14:04

Lunch: salad, with mushrooms, celery, cucumber, lots of mayo and Corned Beef - I Know! There isn't even a war on! Grin

MsRinky · 19/10/2012 14:48

I am feeling very virtuous today, as instead of spending my lunchbreak nipping home/to the shops/to the pub (for a mineral water, obviously) I went for a brisk 40 minute walk.

It was fantastic, I don't know why I haven't done it before. I'm very lucky where I work because in 40 minutes I can do a circuit which takes me through woods, through a nature reserve and along a pretty bit of river. And I saw an otter! It was so exciting!

So despite the fact that the weather is turning, I am determined to get myself out for a lunchtime walk whenever it isn't actually raining or snowing.

captainmummy · 19/10/2012 15:02

Lucky you MsR - where we live is right by an airport/motorways/trainlines, no otters here, though the rivers are high enough! It started raining at 10 and is getting steadily worse Sad
lunch was scrambled eggs with smoked salmon; pate and lettuce leaves.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 19/10/2012 15:02

Hello all, and hope those poorly feel better soon, esp the triplets and luvmum!

B 3 sausages, fried egg, mushrooms
Went swimming with Ds which basically involved me being splashed for an hour but was good fun.
L out in cafe. Not many LC options so I went for the tomato soup. Turned out to be more tomato, red pepper and carrot soup so I really don't know how carby, but I did ask for salad on the side instead of bread. I was feeling starving and a bit cold after the pool session and was eyeing up DS' hot choc with marshmallows, so,I had a latte ( instead of my usual americano) not great I know but it was a tall thin posh glass not a Starbucks bucket type. And it definitely filled me up. Off to walk dog soon to get more exercise.

D probably salmon, will check fridge when we get back!

Hope everyone has a better day today and enjoys the weekend.

hurricanewyn · 19/10/2012 16:57

Hello all
I hope everyone poorly feels better and you're all having a good day. I'm ravenous - was at an out patients clinic today - just to observe, but expected to be home by 2 so planned on having a late lunch then but am only in through the door now. Part of what I was watching today involved a group session with a dietician - had to sit on my hands with some of the things she was saying. Best one was how fat has no nutritional value whatsoever, and is just empty calories - I interjected at that pount and asked about the energy that fat provides, but was told that the body 'doesn't work like that' Angry

Yesterday I was a veritable saint - loads of delicious looking treats in the staffroom & I ignored them all. Worth it though - weighed this morning & I have officially lost 2 stone exactly since 26 July Grin (We'll ignore the other 4 stone still hanging around). Considering that includes 2 blowouts that lasted days, and over a week for one of them, I'm feeling pretty damned pleased!

Poppy1234 · 19/10/2012 17:27

I hope everyone is feeling a bit better soon. hurricanewyn it is shocking the dietary advice which is being provided. I had my weekly weigh in today and I've stayed the same. I'm still about 5lbs off target as would like to try and maintain at 120lbs to give me room to manoeuvre if my weight does start to creep up and to manage planned cheats such as wine and Christmas.

BIBW I'm also of the same frame of mind re IF, before I started low carb I had some pretty unsavoury eating habits to maintain the weight I'm at (basically starving myself during the week so I could binge at the weekend). I really don't want to go down a route that could lead to that again, I'm delighted I have left that in the past and can be a better role model to my children.

I think for me it's a question of deciding if I'm happy at this weight or if I really need to give up dairy and look at portion size to get to the last bit.

halfthesize · 19/10/2012 18:20

Eve All

Wohoo to BIWI re jeans thats fab.Grin

Missed breakfast today and lunch, so bloody busy, just had a pack of pork scratchings whilst sorting dinner. DH home late so its home made burgers and salad.

EwanHoozami · 19/10/2012 18:51

MsRinsky what a lovely way to spend a lunchtime. A walk alone for it's own sake is food for the soul, isn't it?

Talking of soulfood, I am undertaking an experiment involving corned beef hash made with swede and leeks. Hmmmm...

With IF for me, it's more of a case of not eating unless I'm hungry. I'm a terrible one for routine and will eat B, L & D even if I'm not actually hungry. I want to tailor IF to get me out of that habit. BUT I'd never undertake a fast day if my body was telling me to eat, even if one was scheduled. I suppose I want to become more intuitive, IYKWIM.

BigBroomstickBIWI · 19/10/2012 18:54

Steak, salad with shallot vinaigrette and Brussels sprouts with butter for dinner for me. Am home alone - DS2 is on a sleepover.

Lovely! Remote control all to myself!

And a lovely bottle of sauvignon blanc

OP posts:
Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 19/10/2012 18:57

Tried mr Porky pork scratchings today, not sure if I like them particularly but they make a convenient snack.
Skipped breakfast today and lunch was just ham and coleslaw as not much time.
Dinner tonight was Black Farmer sausages, cabbage stir fried with streaky bacon, broccoli and cauliflower. I never thought if say this but it was all yummy, didn't even need gravy. Think my tastes are definitely changing. Lots of salty bacon though so will probably be a pound up tomorrow which is not great as still half a pound up on Monday for no particular reason.

NewStartSameStory · 19/10/2012 19:23

I was strong about the brownies

tempertemper · 19/10/2012 19:25

I totally after with the thinking re if: dangerous game if you have ever had eating issues. Tends to make me obsess, or even overeat the day before because I know I will under eat the next day. I miss the odd breakfast but generally am a greedy thing and think dropping calories too much is like shooting yourself in the foot, metabolism wise.

B scrambled eggs, 1.5 chipolatas and a raaher bacon
L sliced chicken, handful of nuts, 15g dark choc (had a coop to buy from so best I could do in circumstances!)
D steak with blue cheese melted in it, wilted spinach, asparagus, tablespoon cauli mash. Pud (friday night!) Of a little peanut butter/total iced parfait thing. Niiiice.

Yum yum. Due period any day and starting to get hungry as a horse and bloaty, so expect Monday to be a bit crapy drag my arse to the gym over the weekend....

Doshusallie · 19/10/2012 19:27

Snacks so far: pork scratchings and two spoons of PB. No idea what to have for tea....

MrsHerculePoirot · 19/10/2012 19:38

Aaaarrrrggghhhh - why? why? I was rubbish last night and then again at lunch today. For no reason really, DH is away, I have had a difficult week with work and DD and a million and one things that need doing at the moment, I thought I had planned well enough, but I hadn't basically.

Had a lovely day though at chessington today with DD who is 2.10 - we went on every ride she was allowed on and on the runaway train 6 times (and one of those she went round the whole way with both arms in the air like the teenagers in front of us!!!). It was very wet though, although we knew that in advance!

Looking forward to DH coming back tomorrow - I know others have much longer periods of time without OHs and so really no excuse!!!

catstail · 19/10/2012 19:38

i was on hols at weigh in on monday , shall I do the weigh in this coming monday and jst split the difference (hoping there is a difference!!!) for the missing monday?

WineGless · 19/10/2012 19:40

Hi forcing myself to check in as wobbling. Please keep me on straight and narrow.

B: mushroom omlette filled with Philly
L crust less quiche- made horrendous mistake eating the base before I realized what I was doing.
D:just debating over a glass of wine.

On a mega downer today. Looks like my job is going and the team I have built up being moved to different depts. we have had so many changes over last few years not sure I can deal with any more. I obvious,y will but just fecked off.

catstail · 19/10/2012 19:41

ok i see, it has auto prefilled me for monday gone to be the same as the monday before, maybe I will leave it at that then at least I might see a reduction this coming weigh in

EwanHoozami · 19/10/2012 19:46

Oh WineGless so sorry, that's horrid news, especially to get at the end of the week. Can you try and stay on the straight and narrow by treating yourself to your very favourite LC food over the weekend?

MrsHerculePoirot · 19/10/2012 19:52

Oh WineGless that is horrible news - what a lot of stuff you've had to deal with work wise recently. As you say, you will deal with it and I think you are definitely allowed to be fecked off at the very least.

I am just watching Nigel Slater - he has just made coffee ice cream by mixing left over black coffee with custard and freezing it for three hours. He did say something about doing something every hour (I might need to go back and find that out!). He said he used a good quality ready made custard, but I am sure that someone on here (Jins maybe?) has said you can make low carb custard basically with cream and egg yolks and not much else... although maybe I am thinking wishfully...

halfthesize · 19/10/2012 19:53

Oh Winegless sorry to hear you are having a crap time, you really have been through the mill recently, stay strongSmile

So some wine seems to have slipped into my glassBlush and more may follow!