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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

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Brasssection · 20/10/2012 20:42

No, none and I have had 3 litres of water away at least. Could I just be having too many calories in dairy? Very depressed about this.

WineGless · 20/10/2012 20:56

Brass, were you exercising before this? My body converts fat to muscle quickly and I weigh heavier temporarily. Has numerous arguments with WW/SW Leaders over the years.

However some do find that dairy impedes weight loss. Do you feel any different?

Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:02

Yes, I was. Have been shredding for a while. It sounds silly but I'm not sure f I feel different. Sometimes I think I do but then think I'm talking myself into it. I have been sleeping well and have energy but no obvious weight loss. I do have awful constipation though. Perhaps this isn't for me. If you don't eat meat, snacking is hard on this WOE. It's eggs or cheese and I think I've had too much cheese. Sigh!

WineGless · 20/10/2012 21:04

If you are veggie you are allowed nuts on Bootcamp too.

What sort of meals have you been having. Lets see if anyone can give you some pointers. What snacks are you having- if just cheese then prob not great

BigBroomstickBIWI · 20/10/2012 21:21

Brasssection - it's difficult to say without knowing:

  • how much do you weigh?
  • how tall are you?
  • what kind of regime/diet were you following before you started this?
  • what have you been eating/drinking on a daily basis? List out your meals/drinks over the last week and let's see if we can help
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Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:22

Thanks. So, 2 scrambled eggs with butter and maybe mushrooms for bfat. Lunch always a green salad with fish or low carb tofu and olive oil or sometimes a boild egg or cheese salad. Then for dinner crust less quiche or fish and low cad veg. Snacks are usually a boild egg with full fat Hellmann, coffe wih double cream (3 a day) and cheese slices, probably 3 a day. And lost of water. No nuts but usually 100-200 gr or face full fat yoghurt with a tiny bit of Splenda. Too much?

Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:23

I am 5" 9 WMD weigh 12 stone.

Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:24

[sorry] I am not a weapon of mass destruction.

Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:24
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BigBroomstickBIWI · 20/10/2012 21:24

You could have an issue with dairy - there's a lot there with the cream in your coffee, cheese and yoghurt

What about your weight - how much do you weigh now/how tall are you?

And how much water are you drinking?

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Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:27

12 stole and at least 3 litres of water a day.

Brasssection · 20/10/2012 21:30

Going up with baby now so perhaps not back until morning. But thanks so much for responding to a total stranger, I appreciate it.

BigBroomstickBIWI · 20/10/2012 21:32

We're all total strangers, Brasssection!

Do you have a history of dieting? I'm wondering if your body just needs a bit of consistency.

Are you enjoying eating this way? If so, I would suggest that you cut out the dairy, but just keep on keeping on.

Make sure you're not eating massive portions, although obviously don't let yourself get hungry.

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AuntieMaggie · 20/10/2012 22:25

brass I put on weight with the shred initially - have you done it more than usual this week?

wine glad I'm not the only one... re fat to muscle thing. the rows i've had with gym instructors/sw i've had over the years... (no its not hard for all women to build muscle) i was away with work for a week earlier in the year and was perfect dietwise and exercised every morn and eve and I put on 5lbs. was so upset. I want to do the shred again as it made me feel more toned etc but am putting it off til after hospital weigh in!

cathyandclaire · 21/10/2012 00:01

Was still 2.5lb up this am...but relieved to see it is TOM, hopefully that's the cause of my general puffiness, weight gain (and grumpiness with everyone around me) and not the raspberries and yoghurt.
V busy today so just grabbed bits here and there, which is rubbish. Starving just before bed so scoffed an enormous hunk of gruyere.... Balanced nutrition? I don't think so. Will be better tomorrow.

butterfliesinmytummy · 21/10/2012 00:55

Want out for a very expensive dinner last night, managed to stick to foie gras and Dover sole with spinach and cheese afterwards. Did however drink a glass of champagne and a glass of white wine and half a Madeleine with coffee. Up 2lbs today and have recorded my weight as I'm off on holiday today til Thursday. I'm down nearly 11lbs in 3 weeks so pretty pleased with that.

Doshusallie · 21/10/2012 01:17

BIWI - smiling at "we are all perfect strangers on here" - I know we are but feels funny to hear you say it.

Well tonight was as bad as predicted - pre dinner snacks were olives and stuffed peppers and avoided the crisps, and starter was pâté - but did have
One of the two slices of brioche that came with it - main was lamb, and avoided the cous cous but did have a few carrots and parsnips - and a tiny sliver of pavlova - and two crackers with cheese - and two lindor chocolates which are my absolute fave in the world - not to mention the red wine, the dessert wine and the bubbly.....:-(... Will not be weighing till at least Tuesday.... Fab night tho, at a house that could have been in Beverly hills.....

Brasssection · 21/10/2012 09:19

Thanks all. I don't have a history of dieting really, just general phases of trying to eat less fat but not through any plan. It could be muscle to fat ratio, I don't know. I've had brilliant results with Shred in the past where I went down 2 dress sizes. But I never weighed, just went by how my clothes fit. My scales are pretty crappy but I took a reading at the start of bootcamp this time. Perhaps I need better scales?

Anyway, typical menus:

B. 2 scrambled eggs with butter and mushrooms or 200 gr full fat yog with a little vanilla.

L. Always a big green salad, sometimes with smoked Salmon and avocado, or egg or goats cheese.

D. Usually a veg stir fry, no noodles obviously. Or my own begie burgers which are just mixed low carb vet, egg and a little flax. Then lots of veg like roasted cauliflower or a salad.

Snacks. Cheese, sometimes an egg.
Always 3 plus litres of water, olive oil, butter, mayo etc...

I've been very careful to track everything on MFP, mainly to get carb reading and I am always under 25 carbs but often over 2000 calories which must be too much.

If I give up cheese, I don't know how I can do this. I find too that I am often very hungry. I haven't gone into that not feeling hungry phase at all.

WillieWaggledagger · 21/10/2012 10:06

Brass tbh dress size is probably better than scales anyway, as weight can fluctuate for no apparent reason which can be demoralising

Sorry for crappy days yesterday. I don't have dc so can't imagine how hard it must be for those with non-sleepers.

WillieWaggledagger · 21/10/2012 10:11

Oh and brass you shouldn't need to worry about calories. Are you very close to your goal weight?

You can try going for harder rather than softer cheese, and it's easy to overdo the yoghurt too. I did find flax stalled me too, though I appreciate as a veggie it's harder to get variety on this woe

Brasssection · 21/10/2012 10:32

Really willie, even when I'm up to 2600 when I eat smoked salmon? I eat no more than a teaspoon of flax most days so should be ok. I really use it to thicken stuff.

I am no where near goal weight as want to be 10 stone and am 12. Do you really think I should keep going with this? Am feeling pretty demoralised and just wish I could snack on chicken or something. LO carb veg food just isn't very filling I'm afraid.

Brasssection · 21/10/2012 10:33

Oh, I also ate about 3 avocados a week. Is that ok?

BigBroomstickBIWI · 21/10/2012 11:32

You really don't need to worry about calories at this stage, Brass. Your focus should be on eating sufficient fat and protein, and keeping an eye on those carbs. And, if you're shredding as often as you say, then you will need to eat to fuel your body.

Are you sure about the carb count of the foods you're eating? Are you measuring how much yoghurt you're eating - that can get quite carby very quickly.

I'm concerned that if you're still hungry that you're not eating enough, or - particularly - that you're not eating enough fat.

Can you try a couple of days without any cheese/cream/yoghurt, and see if that makes any difference?

And ditch the flax. I've read so often that it impedes weight loss on here.

The other thing to consider is your menstrual cycle, as that can also get in the way - as you approach your period, it's very usual to find that you don't lose or gain a couple of pounds.

And finally - it could just be your scales! Change the battery, if they are battery ones, or consider buying new ones. (And you are weighing first thing in the morning, naked, after you've been to the loo, aren't you?!)

How about your clothes? Are the fitting any better?

All of this is about fine-tuning. Overall, your diet/menus look fine - but everyone has to work out what does and doesn't work for them.

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HumphreyCobbler · 21/10/2012 11:42

hello all, haven't checked in for a while but still at it. I HAVE lightened up a bit as I have eaten the odd apple but I do have an entire orchard of the bloody things and we have just made our juice for the year and I needed to assess for taste! I don't drink the juice once it is made, you will be relieved to know. This doesn't half wind up my DH Grin, whilst low carbing in general he is positive about, he thinks I am perfectly thin enough thank you Grin

Despite the apples I still seem to be losing. It seems I can tolerate the odd apple but NOT dairy. I am finding surprisingly easy to cut out this food group.

BigBroomstickBIWI · 21/10/2012 11:48

Avocado is fine - it's actually very good for you as it also contains potassium, which is especially helpful when we're drinking all the water we're drinking.

Again, though, make sure you're counting the carbs ... Grin

Humph good for you! I have a load of apples from our tree that I'm steadfastly ignoring, as I simply can't see any use for them, for me! [selfish emoticon]

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