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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:18

Well back from a lovely weekend in Lille. The weather wasn't much better there, sadly! And the food was a bit of a high carb disasters,ndespite my best efforts. We ate some beautiful food, but potatoes kept appearing on my plate, even when not ordered. I didn't have to eat them of course, but I did eat some. And then yesterday lunchtime, when a surprising number of restaurants were closed, we ended up in an Italian restaurant, which was mainly pasta/pizza. I thought I was being smart by ordering veal scallopine in lemon sauce - only to find, when it arrived, that it, too, was served with pasta.

So I'm on Bootcamp Brutal this week! I'm not going to weigh today as there is no need to go there. I enjoyed myself thoroughly, so it's a case now of back on the wagon and just get on with it.

5 weeks till my holiday ... !

Hope everyone else is doing ok and welcome to all the new people.

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WillieWaggledagger · 09/07/2012 09:21

It sounds as though the carbs were worth cheating for biwi!

I had a weekend of seeing family and did enjoy a couple of bowls of fruit salad (at two different meals) and it was delicious so no regrets, and otherwise I ate sensibly

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 09:34

Morning all. Marking my place. Relieved to say the scales say a much more acceptable 9.4 this morning despite drinking Saturday night (red wine and gin and slim).

Just a little reminder to all - how many people that are trying to lose weight can have a weekend where they consume:

bacon and eggs
avocado
roast chicken
coleslaw in full fat mayo
pork scratchings
a 3 dish Indian meal
cheese
full fat greek yoghurt

and still be 2 pounds lighter than they were before the weekend???? Grin Grin Grin

Glad you had a nice time in Lille Biwi.

Livelongandprosper · 09/07/2012 09:42

BIWI Envy
Sounds like a great weekend despite the weather. I was about to complain that I haven't been anywhere then remembered I had a fabulous day at Wimbledon on Thursday. I ate some really lovely food and some great puddings - it was worth it!

teaandthorazine · 09/07/2012 10:33

Morning losers!

I'm really feeling the effects of a more-carby-than-usual weekend. I feel absolutely shattered today, almost hangover-style tired. and I only had one glass of wine all weekend! Have been glugging the water in hopes it'll wake me up a bit and am really desperate to get back to 'clean' eating again. It's strange how you really can tell the difference!

Anyway, it's my birthday tomorrow and dp is coming home from his course to cook me a special meal apparently - I think I might have to write tomorrow evening off as knowing him it will probably feature tiramisu Grin

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 10:53

B: an avocado and a bit of cold roast chicken.

smokinaces · 09/07/2012 10:54

Morning. On the nuts front morrisions do little bags of Brazil nuts for a pound - and only 2.2g carbs for whole mini bag.

Leftover chicken casserole for lunch. Was with Bacon, mushrooms and onion. Had with green veg last night, will have salad today.

Went to someone's for dinner Saturday. I did starter of mozzerlla, tomato and green salad with a little balsamic. The others had foccacia bread but I didn't. Main was lamb shank with green veg and mash. I just didn't eat the mash. Drinks I had a jug of water, two small red wines and four vodka, amarettos and diet cokes. There was orange and cranberry based juice cocktails but I avoided them too. Had a fab time and didn't even pick when drunk.

Had a little dark chocolate yesterday and today though. Started period Saturday and even with this woe and mirena its the heaviest I've been in a while. Not very happy bunny today.

But down 1 this week. Was hoping for two, and nearly saw it yesterday, but wasn't to be. Next week hopefully ill drop one instead of sts.

MNP · 09/07/2012 10:54

Morning.

Off plan weekend which confirmed i am wheat sensitive.

Off to Cap de Antibes today until Sept and have packed the scales.

becstarsky · 09/07/2012 11:04

Morning all!
Happy birthday teaandthorazine! Very jealous of you going to Wimbledon livelongandprosper. Glad you enjoyed Lille BIWI

... and your weekend menu sounds similar to mine Thegoddessblossom - except I had a slight mouth collision with a gluten free lemon drizzle cake and gluten free ciabatta - pure accident, could happen to anyone Blush. My friend had been baking especially for my coming over, as she knows I'm coeliac, so I really couldn't say no. And then I found I couldn't say no to the second slice of cake either Blush. But I agree with BIWI - no need to go there, back on 'bootcamp light' and I'll weigh myself in a couple of weeks when I've had chance to put things right.

Today I am mostly killing moths. Clothes moths have munched through our rugs, furniture, DSs clothes, DHs jumpers and more importantly MY SILK DRESSES! And my cashmere passed on to me by my Mum Sad. Damn them. They are going to die today. I've pussyfooted around with environmentally friendly solutions for long enough. I'm wearing my oldest clothes, no make up, hair scraped back under a scarf and have got moth spray, a respiratory mask and goggles, lots of black plastic bags and gas pellet thingies... gosh but I look sexy today. If Johnny Depp could see me now. Grin

Have a good day everyone x

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 11:05

Sorry TOTM is bad Smokin. I read with interest all experiences with that, and the PMT you all experience, as I don't have periods at all - am on the Depo Provera injection and have been for years - and therefore don't have PMT either. I am being made aware each time I go for my injection of the risks of osteoporosis for example, with prolonged use, but do think my WOE offsets that risk somewhat, in addition to my exercise etc.

Sorry, bit off topic.

NotMostPeople · 09/07/2012 11:08

I'm down 2lbs although I didn't weigh in last week.

However I'm having some problems. Over the last few weeks I've had a few instances of serious stomach craps, shivers etc. Originally I thought it was just one of those tummy things that sometimes happens, but it's becoming very regular now every few days. I've tried to think back to what I've eaten just before and it's been a real variety, one time it was a protein shake with soya milk and cream, once it was bacon and mushrooms. I can't make a connection.

it is very bad though, yesterday i had to go to bed with a hot water bottle and a bucket as the cramps and nausea were very bad. Any ideas? The only thing that has changed is my way of eating, but I've now lost 18lbs and don't want to stop this.

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 11:14

Until September? Shock Envy

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becstarsky · 09/07/2012 11:21

NMP sorry to hear that - sounds awful. Are your bowels normal? (funny place, mumsnet - I wouldn't normally ask someone I don't know very well how their bowels are doing Grin)

HumphreyCobbler · 09/07/2012 11:31

hello everyone, am feeling particularly chirpy today as the effect of this WOE on my PMS was unbelievable. I have never before had NO symptoms of stress/anxiety/depression before a period. Normally it lasts up to 2 weeks as well.

I am 9.4 today, which was 1 more than before the wedding blow out. I have stuck to it pretty much despite totm, and think I will probably lose a bit more in the next few days.

aroomofherown · 09/07/2012 11:34

Morning! I've put my starting weight on the spreadsheet, looks hideous Shock. But everyone else's weight loss is inspiring so I'm determined to stick with it.

I've had an omelette for breakfast (2eggs, 3eggwhites) with cucumber and tomato but am hungry AGAIN! I was hungry at midnight last night too and had an omelette then too (short of food in the house, need to do some grocery shopping, clearly!)

Is this just because I'm starting out? Day 3 today.

MNP Envy (not about the wheat sensitivity though)

smokinaces · 09/07/2012 11:34

Goddess I can't have the injection. I had it twice as a late teen and it messed me up big time. The mirena has been fab, had it a year and just had light bleeding every now and then. This is a proper period though, which has me paranoid its fallen out. Then again I have pcos, which since losing weight on this woe I have lost my spots, excess hair and weight so maybe my periods are coming back.

I was extreme bodies obesity on dmax last night. American, and the doctor over there was blaming carbs and sugar for the overweight people. Enlightening to see!! She also blamed the type two diabetes on high carb diets and didn't recommend them - maybe this will filter through this side of the pond soon.

smokinaces · 09/07/2012 11:36

Watched not was.

aroomofherown · 09/07/2012 11:38

smokinaces have you seen The men who made us fat? (on BBC iplayer)? It makes some quite scary claims about the sugar industry, even in the UK.

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 11:39

Biwi - interested in examples of low carb baked goods......?? Hmm

smokinaces · 09/07/2012 11:40

Yes, third episode was cancelled cos of Wimbledon - its on this Thursday at nine in case anyone wondered :-)

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 11:49

If only, thegoddess! You can have some virtual ones though --> Biscuit Grin

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SpagboLagain · 09/07/2012 11:50

Ahem.
Hello low carby types. I'm not doing bootcamp specifically, but have just read dr briffa and have been reducing carbs a lot for the past week, ok so far. I have a couple of qu's I was hoping for some help with:

When looking at stuff like yogurt, pâté etc, what classes as low carb, is there a level per 100g I should be aiming for?

White sauce. Is there a way of making without flour so I can have a delicious (cabbage-topped) fish pie?

Cabbage itself. Dr briffa says this is an unlimited food, whereas root veg like turnips should be in moderation due to their sugar content. But BIWIs carb count has cabbage coming way above turnips. So which is better?

Thank you

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 11:53

curses. Thought as much. Got all excited there for a mo!

SingingTunelessly · 09/07/2012 12:15

aroom, why did you not have three whole eggs in your omelette? Cook in butter and ditch the tomato if you're Bootcamp. If you're hungry EAT! Grin

Am avoiding weigh in after the weekend. Am not going near the scales, no siree. Will Bootcamp this week although jeans don't feel tight this morning so hopefully not too much damage.

SingingTunelessly · 09/07/2012 12:20

Welcome Spagbo. Smile. Yoghurt should be full fat and plain, fruity ones put the carb count up. Total full fat is the one recommended on here. Pâté, again, sonething like plain chicken liver (full fat obv). I picked one up the other day and because it had something like caramelised onions added the carb count was high. Waitrose do a lovely chicken forestier pâté (think that's the right name) which is delicious.

I'll leave the turnip question for BIWI as they're not on my radar.