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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

544 replies

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
Jins · 10/07/2012 14:07

Yes happy birthday Tea

Jacaqueen · 10/07/2012 14:09

Greetings from Cornwall

Still on holiday just quickly checking in to keep me on the straight and narrow.

First week I stuck to low carb really easily. Had lots of delish food just avoided the carbs. This week I have not been so good. Ice cream, pasties, fish and chips all consumed since Saturday. Feel really bloated and sluggish so going to try and get back to low carb from today. I really dont want to wait till I get home as I could be half a stone heavier by then.

teaandthorazine · 10/07/2012 14:20

Thanks for birthday messages Smile

Am not having a very exciting day so far though - am knee-deep in an assignment having only written 2000 words of the expected 7000 - eeek! Still, I have another 4 days to plough through the rest of it...may take the rest of the day off in fact...

Have had a bit of chocolate (the G&B butterscotch kind Shock) - whywhywhy? I don't feel very nice now, bit sugary and bloaty, so why did I do it? Perverse 'it's my birthday so I'm going to' feeling, but I knew even at the time I'd feel crap after. D'oh! Just goes to show how hard it is to break some habits.

Anyway, would second the 'not worrying about daily fluctuations' advice. I'm a daily weigher and find it quite fascinating how I can be up and down in 24 hours. Now I couldn't ever just weigh once a week (I used to not even own a set of scales, fgs) but I don't take daily differences seriously at all. And I'm not sure rushing off to the gym would make a blind bit of difference tbh (but then I'm a confirmed gym-loather anyway Grin)

vnmum · 10/07/2012 14:25

Happy birthday tea
cream I usually do IF and go to the gym fasted anyway, it is strange how it fluctuates though.
shimbo be careful using cocnut oil on your face. I have read reports that it is comodogenic(sp?) and people have found after a few weeks of using it that they breakout in spots that are then really hard to get rid of.

My arms are killing me from the gym but I am surprised by my continuing increase in strength. Must be all the protein.

I have just caught up with the Dr Grateley webchat on childhood obesity. I know a few fellow low carbers posted on there. To be honest it was the same old tripe of the government guidelines are right, follow them and if its not working then you are not implementing the guidelines correctly, we need carbs full stop and carbs are good, we will always have them in our diet including sugar Hmm. It made me quite Angry actually. The Dr Briffa chat was much more helpful and well informed

BettySuarez · 10/07/2012 14:36

Would appreciate some advise here ladies.

For the past few weeks I have been feeling very lethargic and dizzy/light headed. My weight loss has stalled but I am not too concerned about that at the moment as I know it will kick start again soon.

But this lighheaded and 'heavy legs' feeling is bugging me. I am just not feeling this huge burst of energy that you are all feeling at the moment.

I have taken on board the advice about being potentially low in potassium and I do think that when I was in ketosis last week I drank so much water and was probably salt depleted quite dramatically!

So I am now adding some lo salt to my meals and if I am having lots of water throughout the day I am even adding a dash of salt to the glass just to keep on top of things.

It has made a dramatic difference but I am still not 100% and it is starting to concern me because I so want this to work but honestly can't see that feeling this way is sustainable in the long term.

Could it be that despite adding lo salt, I am still a bit potassium depleted? Or could it be something else?

to give you an idea of my meals .....

Breakfast - bacon, eggs, mushroom in butter or yoghurt with half dozen blueberries or rhubarb

Lunch - salad - usally watercress with eggs/chicken/tuna/cheese etc and lots of mayo

Dinner - either chicken/fish/meat with veggies

Snacks - nuts/cheese/ham

I have 1 coffe with cream each day

Perhaps I should get my iron levels checked?

BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 14:37

Happy birthday tea!

creamtea - if you're only doing 2/3 wees in 24 hours then you're obviously not drinking enough water. Please don't start doing 24 hour fasts to lose weight - it's really not necessary! Drink more water.

OP posts:
Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 14:50

captain Mummy I am the same as you, wee before bed, wee during the night, get out of bed to go to the loo.

I have never drunk so much water in my life.

My mother used to a cup of tea in the morning, a milky coffee mid morning, 2-3 glasses of wine in the evening and a cup of tea before bed. And that's it. Never drank water. I am not saying that caused her breast cancer, weight issues or subsequent early onset Alzheimers but hey you never know. Sad

Lunch: big salad with tuna, mayo, roasted veg, coleslaw, chunk of brie, slice of turkey.

GreenEyesAndHam · 10/07/2012 15:12

Happy birthday tea

Jellybellyrbest · 10/07/2012 15:13

Hi All! Been lurking for a bit, but dived in today! Have read Dr Briffa's webchat & his book & do believe in low carbing being better for us. But; being the shallow being that I am, I'm desperate to lose weight quickly & think this will help. I've known for some time that my carb addiction was bad & 12 weeks post natal & exclusively BF with v little time to exercise, I'm stuck at 9st. I usually run & am v active & control my weight with that. Can't do it now & with my sister's wedding looming & my first Bridesmaid's dress fitting in 2 wks am now desperate. I have always read Dr Briffa's stuff with interest & I've been watching The Men Who Made Us Fat & I know low carving is healthier than the way I currently eat. So; today Ive had

B; 3eggs scrambled with butter & coffee w cream
L; tuna rocket Mayo salad with 2 mini red peppers & a hard boiled egg

Cant believe the amount of fat I've eaten (MFP)!!! Will I really lose weight in 2w!!! Am drinking lots water.....

HumphreyCobbler · 10/07/2012 15:15

I am drinking loads of water and still not weeing much of it out. Certainly not all of it. My wee is yellow too, and it REALLY shouldn't be...

I will just keep on drinking and hope for the best.

Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 15:30

Welcome Jelly. Yes. Grin

Where do we stand on Berocca people?

doradoo · 10/07/2012 15:34

Back from 2 weeks in the UK and a very very bad time on the carbs.... but only 2kg on so not too disheartened - back to BC for me I think.

mummyduff · 10/07/2012 16:00

Afternoon all, glad to see I'm not the only one feeling sluggish etc, I have looked back over the last few days and realised it may be the lack of salt and fat, you think I'd know better by now...

Re the wee situation, I am on the loo all the timeWink

Had a lovely prawn salad for lunch with lots of mayo.
Dinner Hmm not sure yet.

Can I ask you ladies I have a 10 year old DS who is quite well built and very aware of it as boys at school have said things!! What ideas does anyone have for a low carb packed lunch or should I leave it as it is and just do low carb dinners??? I dont want to add to his concerns!

SingingTunelessly · 10/07/2012 16:24

Another one here who seems to spend most of the day and night on the loo. Humphrey are you taking any supplements at all? I remember when I started this woe the supplements turned my wee a most peculiar shade, almost fluorescent looking!

SingingTunelessly · 10/07/2012 16:27

Mummyduff, could you send DS in with a salad with ham, cheese or Babybels? Sorry its a long time since mine took lunches and I guess the rules are all changed now.

ILoveStripeySocks · 10/07/2012 16:50

Ive spent the afternoon going through all my cookbooks (my passion Grin) and highlighting all the delicious recipes that are perfect for this woe, or that could be easily adapted! I am currently marinating some courgettes to make a delicious courgette & mozzerella side dish for dinner. Its from the River Cottage Veg Everyday cookbook, if anyone is interested.

I have only a rough estimate of my starting weight and I appear to be at least 1 stone 7lb down Shock in 2 weeks! I do have a crapload to lose (multiple stones) so I am well on my way! Staying with BC most days with a few BL days thrown in here & there.

ILoveStripeySocks · 10/07/2012 16:52

Mummyduff, how about a low carb ploughmans? Salad leaves, some cucumber, slices of ham, wedge of cheese, pickled onions/gherkins & a dollop of homemade coleslaw?

vnmum · 10/07/2012 16:59

betty have you tried drinking dioralyte or another electrolyte powder? Also are you eating enough fat? On this WOE when you have switched from carbs as fuel to fat as fuel your body will still need enough fat going in through food to get its energy.

MNP · 10/07/2012 17:18

Mrs HP I started the yr at 16+st. Tis all relevant as my finish weight goal is 12-13 st.

MNP · 10/07/2012 17:20

B complex supplement gives me florid yellow wee, it seems to be 5-8 visits per litre drunk!!

ZZZenAgain · 10/07/2012 17:40

stripeysocks, what type of marinade are you making for the courgette and mozzarella dish? I like the sound of that.

could it be coffee withdrawal as well Betty? When I gave up coffee (cold turkey) I had the heavy legs and lethargy and so on. Have you reduced your intake a great deal down to just one cup?

Heretic I know, please forgive me, but I am missing my carbs, sob. Don't know if I have lost weight but I have a pair of shorts I intend to fit back into and I'll test it with them in a week or two

Amaxapax · 10/07/2012 17:45

I had a very irritating experience today. During a work meeting, a colleague brought in cakes and had brought me carrots, bless her, as she knows I'm not eating baked goods. She and I have a very comfortable relationship so I felt fine saying thank you, but I wasn't eating carrots, and explained a little bit about why. That was fine.

Then, in the meeting itself the subject came up again. When people asked how I was staying full, I said the fat in my meals helped keep me full. My boss, who is very into her salads and little bits of protein and whatnot, nearly fainted. I said fat doesn't make you fat, and she said in the most condescending way possible that it does. And then someone else chimed in saying even if it doesn't, I'll die of heart disease.

I don't pass judgment on anyone else and what they eat. I'm not in any position to pass judgment, given my very spotty eating history. So why does anyone feel the need to tell me there's something wrong with my diet? Furthermore, my dad had cancer (fortunately recovered) and my mom died at 51 of a heart attack, so I'm hoping that eating a clean diet with the proven health benefits of this WOE will help me to avoid some of the ailments that affected my parents. I find it incredibly insensitive that anyone would feel the need to make comments about how I'm being unhealthy in my diet, particularly given that I haven't had wheat or sugar or the like for over two weeks with the exception of my birthday. And it feels great! I don't miss it, I don't crave it, and I've lost weight. I no longer feel like I'm ruled by my cravings. But I don't understand the science of this WOE enough to fully explain it, and more importantly I don't think I should have to!

I'm so sick of the 'being good' attitude, and the idea that if it tastes nice it must be awful for you, and it'd be better to eat a bowl of sawdust for breakfast than eggs and mayonnaise. I have read quite a lot about nutrition and exercise and, while I don't get all of it, I'm fairly certain I know more about this stuff than anyone in that meeting. But just because it doesn't fit with conventional wisdom, I'm met with disparaging comments.

Very sorry for long, self-indulgent rant. Just feeling very...picked on.

ZZZenAgain · 10/07/2012 17:48

don't tell people in future what you eat or why you eat it, just say I am binging on steak and salad because it is my all-time favourite food. People around you actually don't needto know you are on a diet IYSWIM

ILoveStripeySocks · 10/07/2012 17:51

ZZZen, the marinade was olive oil, garlic & lemon zest! Was really tasty. I will be putting the recipe on my blog later, if you would like the recipe?

ZZZenAgain · 10/07/2012 17:52

yes, thanks