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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
captainmummy · 09/07/2012 18:44

Re the yoghurt question- Tescos didnt have any Total today,so i bought Soya natural yog instead. I've had it before and loved it, it is only 2.1g/100g, so i assume it fits into a low-carb WOE?

I think my stumbling block is nuts - i have a tendancy to snack rather than eat main meals, and in the absence of apples/grapes etc have had Brazil nuts instead. I Stayed the same this week Sad

SingingTunelessly · 09/07/2012 18:57

lorrelilee that is fantastic! Well done you! It's great to see even us under active thyroid people get results from this woe. Grin

Room, all those little carby things soon add up if we're not careful.

Vnmum, glad you're feeling better.

Pancetta wrapped salmon, chilli prawns and spinach sautéed in butter for dinner. Smile

MsRinky · 09/07/2012 18:58

Sweet lord, low carb bagels ? Have just found a picture on Pinterest and they look amazing. I will try making these as soon as I lay my hands on a tin - will be off to TK Maxx tomorrow I think.

NotMostPeople · 09/07/2012 19:01

oh oh I'm an under active thyroid person and I've lost 18lbs so far, there is hope for us.

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 19:24

LOW CARB BAGELS!!!!???? Surely this counts as low carb baked goods???? Grin Hmm Grin

NigellasGuest · 09/07/2012 19:44

I had a planned but major deviation on Saturday night / Sunday morning. I went to a piano recital (!!!!) and how could I refuse a glass of champagne upon arrival. (I didn't finish it though). A bit later I had a bellini (didn't finish that either, but only because I lost it Confused).

I had a couple of hors d'oeuvres - peach wrapped in parma ham (delish) and something with mackerel on top (I gave the carby "something" to my DD).

Main meal: salad for starter, then a pasta Shock dish (but it was really small and I left loads of the pasta). Then the most delicious lamb chops - tender as anything - with baby new potatoes (which I didn't touch) and veg. More wine with meal - perhaps 2 glasses of white. And some pudding wine with pudding..... which was Eton mess (my fave) and of which I went back for a second helping. I don't care, it was worth it!!! Back to bootcamp now.... I've put on 4 lbs but I have no desire to eat any more of that kind of stuff until the next special occasion.

Thank you for rreading my Post of Shame!!

NigellasGuest · 09/07/2012 19:46

oh yes - breakfast on Sunday - consisted of home made granola bars but I only had a half of one............... and coffee with milk. I couldn't demand cream after having been treated in this way!

NigellasGuest · 09/07/2012 19:46

p.s. I could have eaten no end of Other Carby Stuff at breakfast but I Did Not.
Wink

ILoveStripeySocks · 09/07/2012 19:52

I really really really needed wanted some crisps, so I made these amazing cheese, chive & garlic "crisps". Yum! Totally hit the spot. I will be fine now fo ranother few weeks Grin Thats my 2 week bootcamp up today too! No idea on weight lost, but all my clothes are much looser!

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 20:15

Tea: 3 egg plain omelette, chunk of Brie, stick of celery.

Snacks: pack of macadamia nuts.

Cheats: one glass of red. Could sooooooo easily have been 2....

Will have 1 or 2 cups of decaf coffee with cream, and more water.

Have drunk 12 glasses of water so far today, what's that, 2.5 litres?

MrsHerculePoirot · 09/07/2012 20:56

Marking place and nearly under 16 stone - reckon I'll crack it this week! Yes, yes I know the rest of you only weigh half that to start with....!!!

SharonGless · 09/07/2012 21:11

Ok am back

Zimbo- Jins and BIWI know their stuff. Cut out the fruit and tomatoes. Plus a lot of your meals for last few days are classed as processed and probably full of salt which may be causing you issues ie bacon, smoked mackerel, chorizo. Also flaxseed? You may need to stick to Bootcamp rules rigidly until ou work out what sits our body.

Nigella - you know what BIWI will say .. Keep drinking the water!

Smokinaces - how long have you been on this woe? Only because I am experiencing exactly the same symptoms as you. I also have the mirena, had got down to virtually no periods but this month was caught out, heavier than it has been for years.

SharonGless · 09/07/2012 21:12

Mrs HP brilliant news. Doesn't matter how many pounds you have to lose we are all in it for the long term!

ZimboMum · 09/07/2012 21:34

Thanks Sharon. Guess I'm so brainwashed I've forgotten what processed is - never occurred to me that smoked mackerel is - bleeding obvious really. Back to the drawing board I guess.

QueenStromba · 09/07/2012 21:37

I've been having bleeds in the middle of my pill pack. This month I stopped taking the pill half way through a pack just as the spotting turned up and ended up having the heaviest period I've had since before I went on the pill.

PMMummy · 09/07/2012 21:48

Good evening!
Just finished a lovely 12 hour day so having a little boot camp catch up. It's great everyone is doing so well and feeling great. I thought I may find my first 'working late' to be a test but nope, easy peasy !
One thing I've noticed through this WOE other than obvious weight loss is the benefits to my skin. As a life long eczema sufferer it has recently been flaring up without reason. Suddenly realised today that I have had not one single flare up since cutting out the crap and not only that, my skin is smooth and healed. Am astonished.

So if that along with the weight loss isn't enough to keep me going then I deserve to be fat and itchy !

So long for now x

CliffBarnsby · 09/07/2012 21:48

Can I Join? I don't have a lot of weight to lose but I never seem to lose fat and I always gain it back very quickly because I am utterly addicted to carbs. I have started today and even found low carb protein drinks for breakfast!

I have two problems --

  1. I get headaches / and shaky when I eat no carbs -- will this go away? I am also running several times a week [just started couch to 5k, and am going much slower than the outline, but that's ok]

  2. I get bored. It seems so restricted. I really need help here because this is where I always fall off the wagon. + cravings

Oh, and a question!
When do you stop / how / when do you loosen up on what you eat?

aroomofherown · 09/07/2012 21:58

CliffBarnsby I don't know about the headaches/shaky but I am pretty sure that if you eat some veges and protein after a run you'll be fine in terms of giving your body what you need to recover. Unless you are running 10K+ at a time, I wouldn't worry.

CliffBarnsby · 09/07/2012 22:01

Thanks. I am always very hungry after any exercise, even though you aren't supposed to be. Confused

Maybe it is just like a 'detox'. I eat a LOT of carbs. I eat a lot of veg, with a lot of carbs. I LOVE butter, though so I know I can do this! Grin

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 22:09

Welcome, Cliff!

One thing you have absolutely wrong: this diet is in no way restrictive. Go and have a look at the Bootcamp Recipe thread Here and you will find some fabulous recipes to inspire you.

And - why wouldn't you be hungry after exercise? You've just used up a whole load of energy! Your body is telling you that you need to replace it. It's just the same as going out for a drive in the car - you've used up a load of petrol doing the drive.

In terms of starting to low carb, you will probably experience carb withdrawal symptoms. Most likely you will have a headache. This will take about 2-3 days to get through. Drink plenty of water and take painkillers if you need to. But after that, you will feel fine. It might be a good idea not to try and do any running/training during this period of time, just to be a bit kinder to yourself.

Make sure you're eating plenty of good quality protein - i.e. fresh/pure/natural meats/fish rather than processed stuff. Eggs are also a good source of protein along with full fat natural yoghurt (I usually have some of this before I go to the gym).

Read the rules of Bootcamp properly - cut and paste them and stick them up on the wall/fridge or wherever you can see them. You only need to do Bootcamp for two weeks, and then you can move onto Bootcamp Light, which is a bit more flexible.

OP posts:
Amaxapax · 09/07/2012 22:13

PMMummy, there's quite a lot of research about the theory that skin issues can be closely related to diet. I have psoriasis, which is an autoimmune disease, and I have read quite a bit about people who have given up wheat and found it's made quite a difference in their skin. I'm only two weeks in and while I'm certainly not clear, I have noticed a bit of improvement. I went to an acupuncturist once who said skin diseases were caused by our body getting rid of toxins through the skin. Not sure how much I agree with that, but I do think there's some kind of link.

Have been sticking to plan very well, but had a bit of a binge tonight on turkey, of all things! Had a very small joint of butter-basted turkey from Sainsbury's and thought it was so nice that I ate the whole thing. Very embarrassing. Suppose it could have been worse, though.

CliffBarnsby · 09/07/2012 22:16

Thanks Amaxapax -- am going to run to the store and get some more food and have a look at that recipe section.

teaandthorazine · 09/07/2012 22:17

It is a detox really, Cliff - or a sugar withdrawal, whatever you want to call it! The nasty symptoms will go though, just keep drinking plenty of water and make sure you're eating enough protein and fat to fill you up. Your blood glucose will adjust surprisingly quickly but you may feel weird for the first few days. Stick with it - it's amazing how great you feel afterwards.

As for restriction, I think that feeling gets a lot better too tbh. I don't feel restricted most of the time partly because I never actually say to myself 'I can't have that'. I can eat chocolate if I want to, I'm a grown up, I make the choice! But I don't want to anymore (most of the time!) and I know that it's a bit of a crap and rubbish choice to eat the choc, iyswim? I'm probably not making much sense Grin But I promise you I honestly don't miss bread, pasta etc anymore and nor will you after a bit.

Stopping? Never. This is how I eat now. I go off piste/fall off the wagon now and then, but I get straight back on. I'm never, EVER going back to eating the way I used to because it makes me feel bloated and flabby and lethargic and grumpy and moody and blaaaaaaaah. And I get spots and PMT and my skin looks grey. So no, not stopping!

teaandthorazine · 09/07/2012 22:21

My skin is about 300 times better since low-carb. After ds was born, I developed adult acne after managing to make it through my entire adolescence without a single spot. Hit 30, had a baby, POW! Just covered in the damn things. Shot my self-confidence to pieces.

I did manage to get things almost under control using industrial amounts of benzoyl peroxide and jojoba oil. Now I don't use the BP anymore, just oil cleanse and eat low-carb - beautiful plump glowy skin every day, even TOTM!

CliffBarnsby · 09/07/2012 22:22

Sorry, I meant more - when do you eat fruit again. I love cantaloupe and tomatoes.

Just after the two weeks? I am still getting the hang of this and am looking around the other thread.