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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

544 replies

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
QueenStromba · 09/07/2012 12:24

I wouldn't take the carb counts on the list as gospel SpagboLagain - I make turnips and swedes 5g of carbs per 100g and cabbage 4g. Also baby sweetcorn can be anything from 2g to 20g of carbs depending on the variety.

The lowest carb yoghurt I've found is Lidl greek yoghurt at 3.2g and the full fat Total is 3.8g - try to stick to one of those. Things like pate you can normally find varieties that are 1-2g per hundred.

A mixture of double cream and cream cheese makes a decent white sauce.

SpagboLagain · 09/07/2012 12:26

Thank you!
That's my issue, when you say the carb count was high what do you mean? I am currently munching an Ardennes cos it was the lowest carb on the shelf. But is it low, is there a figure to not exceed?

Another one as well as the turnips.....I am feeling very hot. Is this a welcome boost to my metabolism or am I coming down with something? :o

mummyduff · 09/07/2012 12:31

Biwi glad you had a fab time.

Happy Birthday Tea for tomorrow enjoy your day and mealWink

MNP Envy

I STS this week so back to bootcamp for me. Been to the gym this morning and worked butt off!
No breakfast but chicken salad for lunch yummy!

sybilfaulty · 09/07/2012 12:35

Morning, campers! Just .5lb off for me this week but back with gusto for a good week. Been for a swim, a shop and now catching up with emails whilst I drink water.

Lille sounds lovely. And Cap d'Antibes til Sept is seriously envy making. Hope it's hotter there than here. I'm wearing a jersey and a gilet today.

Had a delish pork supper last night. Will post the recipe on the other thread. It was truly yummers and very filling.

Have a great week everyone. I cannot believe I am starting week 5, have stuck to the food (though prob not the drink) pretty much, am enjoying it all and loving what it is doing to my post 3 kids body. Thanks so much, BIWI, for starting the threads and to all you lovely ladies for your encouragement and support.

jan2011 · 09/07/2012 12:47

marks place.

mummyduff · 09/07/2012 12:48

sybilfaulty thats a fab loss well doneGrin

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 12:59

L: Roasted mushrooms and courgettes, tuna and coleslaw, slice of turkey, boiled egg, salad leaves and olives, small chunk of cheese.

SwitchedtoEatingCheese · 09/07/2012 13:37

I'm back to strict bootcamp this week. Was on holiday last week and the low carb options were almost non existent - fish and chips, pizza pasta, hot dogs burgers etc.
I succumbed and though I may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb and had chocolate, sweets and beer as well.

ZimboMum · 09/07/2012 13:52

Hi all, just checking in. Wondered if some wise low-carber could have a look at what I have been eating and will be eating to see if there is something i'm doing terribly wrong as three weeks in I've only lost 1.5kg and haven't noticed much difference in my clothes :(

So, from last week

Fri:
B - 4 rashers streaky bacon, egg fried in butter
L - salad made from lettuce, cucumber, four cherry tomatoes, avocado and cold sausages (low carb) and loads of full fat mayo
D - Baked chicken with pork scratching (Karen Barnaby - Low Carb Gourmet) with salad of lettuce, cucumber, few cherry toms and prob 1/4 red pepper.

Sat:
B - 4 rashers streaky bacon (end of pack) with 100g raspberries mixed with a bit of double cream
L - leftover salad from night before with prob 100g smoked mackeral and mayo.
D - Creamy Chicken Marsala with cauliflower rice - only thing carby was the cream and few shallots.

Sun -
B - 100g strawberries (I have an allotment which is why raspberries and strawberries are featuring - i wouldn't eat them if I had to buy them) with 10g flaxmeal and 50ml double cream
L - leftover cauli rice stir fried with 1/4 pepper, egg and dash of soy sauce
D - Sea bass fried in butter with leeks and asparagus sauteed in butter with small piece chorizo

Then today and for next few days i have planned:

Mon
B - 2 scrambled eggs in butter with small piece chorizo (can't just eat eggs on their own, except when soft boiled)
L - tuna salad with loads of mayo
D - low carb spag bol prob with cauli rice

Tues
B - Eggs of some description
L - pork steak fried in butter with salad
D - low carb pizza from recipe thread with salad

Weds
B - eggs
L - pork steak fried in butter with veg
D - Spanish chicken from recipe thread with veg - only carbs in that will be tinned tomatoes and whatever veg.

Drinking 2l+++ of water each day. Have small glass coke zero as I'm weaning myself off slowly and one glass no-added-sugar Peach and Apricot Fruit and Barley which only has 0.6g carbs.

Snacks are olives, pork scratchings, biltong and sometimes cheese.

Am breastfeeding 20 month old DS but only really evening, if wakes at night and in the morning. Is the only thing I can think of that might make my body reluctant to shed some weight.

Still feel a bit lacking in energy, but not nearly as hungry as usual. Definately a woe that is maintainable and easy to do, just thought i'd maybe be seeing some results.

Sorry for long post Blush just wanted to put the whole picture out there. Thanks in advance.

Thegoddessblossom · 09/07/2012 13:58

looks pretty good to me Zimbo although I guess you should lose the tomatoes....am sure BIWI or Tea of Queen or Sharon or Jan will advise much better than me. I am cheat personified!!

Lorelilee · 09/07/2012 14:14

Good afternoon all! Just want to report that I've lost 7lbs during my first week. Sooooo chuffed. Thanks to BIWI for the plan, Singing for the encouragement and to the rest of you for the support and also the taking time to answer my daft questions Grin.

Jins · 09/07/2012 14:16

It looks pretty good Zimbo but raspberries, strawberries and cherry tomatoes are the most likely candidates I'd think. Some people can be quite sensitive to the carbs in fruits. I don't think breastfeeding will make much difference personally but have no experience.

It is unusual not to see bigger weightloss in the early weeks though. Was your diet fairly carb heavy before?

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 14:25

Zimbo - in a rush but will try and help.

How much do you weigh now, and how tall are you?

I think you're probably consuming more carbs than you think you are - e.g. fruit and squash, and you are also eating artificial sweeteners/ingredients, in the processed meats and in the Coke and the squash.

You could also be eating too much dairy - try cutting out the cheese and the cream.

Are you putting a dressing on your salad? And is 2litres of water enough? You should be drinking at least 2.5 litres.

Sorry - lots of questions!

OP posts:
aroomofherown · 09/07/2012 15:48

Whew Lorelilee that's incredible! Congratulations!

Singing I didn't realise that tomatoes were not great. Right, will finish off the last lot but at a slower rate (I do chow through them) of maybe 3 a day. So what about cooking with tinned tomatoes? With caution?

Also I cut out one of the egg yolks because of pre-learnt ideas about eating I think. Eggwhites=better than full eggs. I have to adjust my thinking, although I feel I'm eating too many eggs.

Just bought groceries - first time for months I've bought cream and cheese. I'm slightly terrified because this is all counter-intuitive; surely you can't eat baked mushrooms with garlic, bacon lardons and blue cheese/cream sauce and LOSE WEIGHT?

And dinner will be salmon steak with salsa verde. How do herbs (mint/parsley/basil/coriander) add up in terms of carbs?

And what about salami? Caution? I have it about once a week, but then I have a whole packet in a fit of uncontrolled bliss Blush

vnmum · 09/07/2012 15:58

9st 12 this morning so thats 1.5lb off since last week.

appetite coming back fully now, if anything I am more hungry this afternoon but I suppose some of that could be my body making up for the lack of food over the past few days.

Glad you had a nice weekend BIWI

Going to check out the pizza quiche off recipe thread, thats could well be a saviour for lunch or breakfast

teaandthorazine · 09/07/2012 16:10

aroomofherown - your mushroom meal sounds luscious and yes, you really will lose weight eating like this (and feel amazing too!) - isn't it fab?! You've reminded me I need to use up some big flat mushrooms - I'm going to grill them stuffed with pancetta and boursin - YUM!

Don't worry about herbs in terms of carbs, it's negligible amounts. Don't forget to have some fat with your salmon and salsa... fat is the key to this WOE. Enjoy your cream and cheese Grin

Well done lorelilee!

SharonGless · 09/07/2012 17:19

Evening all just checking in quickly to mark my place
B salami and cream cheese
Tuna salad with full fat mayonnaise
D spaghetti with courgette ribbons

Back later for proper catch up

ZimboMum · 09/07/2012 17:21

Thanks, TheGoddess, Jins and BIWI.

Answers to your questions, BIWI. I weigh 75.8kg (13.8) at the moment and i'm 1.64m (5ft 4ish).

Lately i've just been having full fat, low carb mayo on my salads but made a lush tomato vinaigrette (tiny amount of tomato which really added to the taste) last week and thinking of making my own mayo.

Definately drinking 2.5l of water - probably more. I aim to drink at least that plain and then go on to the sparkling water after that.

I'll try cutting back on dairy - sat and sun were prob bad examples as i had to eat the strawbs and raspberries up and thought cream better than yoghurt as it had lower carbs. Don't usually eat cream much unless its cooked in a sauce.

It just seems bizarre that something as small as a couple of drinks would hinder weightloss so much.

Thanks again.

Creamtea1 · 09/07/2012 17:36

Zimbo - you do know that 75.8 is just under 12 stone (definetly not 13 something!!) it would be great if you had your numbers wrong and have actually lost over a stone!! Smile

aroomofherown · 09/07/2012 17:42

tea the mushrooms were scrumtious and easy! I recommend.

fat is the key to this WOE Grin

This makes me so happy. HOW/WHY does this work though?

Does it damage your health in other ways eg fat around the organs?

aroomofherown · 09/07/2012 17:42

scrumptious even

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 09/07/2012 17:49

www.diabetesdaily.com/forum/recipes/52743-low-carb-bagels Have just ordered some coconut flour so I can try making these!

Off to add today's weight to spreadsheet - too much cheating this weekend! PIL tried their best to accommodate us - made fish with asparagus and celeriac mash, but it turned out that the mash also had potato and carrot in it. But they'd tried so hard to get it right that I couldn't turn it down. And they made gooseberry fool without sugar (ie, gooseberries blended with cream) specially for us. However, I did not manage to turn down strawberry shortcake, apple crumble, flapjacks or an ice cream during the rest of the weekend. Blush

Jins · 09/07/2012 17:51

aroomofherown there's no evidence for it that I'm aware of :)

ZimboMum · 09/07/2012 17:52

ahem. 85.6kg not 76.6kg Blush

Sadly, creamtea, just my fingers tying themselves in knots :(

mummyduff · 09/07/2012 17:54

Ok I'm on week 13 and so far I have lost 16lbs(not bad considering had 2 holidays in this time), however for the last 2 days I have been really bloated and feel quite sluggish which I have not had in weeksConfused

I did have pimms on Saturday but been good since then and drinking loads of water, what could be causing the bloating??

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