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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
PMMummy · 09/07/2012 22:34

Amaxapax and Tea - I am definitely beginning to believe the whole it's what you put in theory - only took me 36 years but I got there eventually. The difference is unbelievable. I too had acupuncture in my before children had disposable income days but just can't justify the cost nowadays or spare the time. The effects on my eczema are enough to spur me on to make this a lifestyle change and not just a diet.

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 22:46

Cliff - after Bootcamp you can introduce some fruit, in the form of berries. But beware - fruit is full of sugar, and so you will quickly push your carbs way high if you're not careful.

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SharonGless · 09/07/2012 23:06

Dd anyone just watch Newsnight-dr Aseem Malhotra about sugar and carbohydrates causing heart problems and interviewed Zoe Harcombe. Min poin of feature was about Coke, Cadburys and Heineken being main sponsors of the Olypmics

QueenStromba · 10/07/2012 02:24

PMMummy - you probably have problems with wheat. Most immunological conditions are vastly improved by removing wheat from the diet. My asthma, allergies and psoriasis all got a lot better when I went low carb and I put that down to removing wheat from my diet.

CliffBarnsby - the headaches/shakiness will go away, this is just your body adapting to running without carbs. It's definitely possible to eat low carb without feeling like you're depriving yourself and actually once you get past the idea that you can't have pasta or whatever anymore then it can be quite liberating to be able to eat cheese and cream. I'm so not trying to poach from Biwi's thread but if you don't think you can live with a diet as restrictive as this then come and join my thread for those of us who aren't hardcore enough for bootcamp.

OHforDUCKScake · 10/07/2012 07:30

Hello can I burst in with a few questions please?

I started low carb as of Sunday, Im doing it as some women told me lowering their carb intake helped with their PMT. I need that help but also I need to lose a stone.

Its tuesday so only two full days of the diet, its going really well. I really like it!

My first question is, I got on the scales this morning and lost 3lb!! How on earth is it possible that Ive lost 3lb in 2 days?? That cant be fat surely?? And yet my stomach is flatter (but carbs to bulge me) and my muffin top is noticably deflated!! Ive been drinking tonnes of water so it cant possibly be water? Can it?

Also the downside, I woke up shaking this morning and feeling faint. I wasnt hungry so it wasnt the feeling you get when youre starving. I as also craving sweet things and I rarely rarely crave sweet things. I ate 6 if my sons Jelly Babies and the shakes stopped....
Why was I feeling so rotten?

Also I breastfeed a big, very booby baby.

OHforDUCKScake · 10/07/2012 07:39

I better add, in case its if relevance Im 5'6" I was 10 stone 6 now,10 stone 3lb.

WillieWaggledagger · 10/07/2012 07:46

ohforduckscake the 3lb was likely glycogen stores depleting as well as some water weight, which need to go before your body will turn to fat for fuel

the rotten feeling was likely carb withdrawal, and i hate to say it but unfortunately as you ate some sugar you are likely to have to go through that again. once you've got over the rotten bit (some people feel fluey for a couple of days) you feel fab

WillieWaggledagger · 10/07/2012 07:47

and pleased to hear you're enjoying the diet - it really is fab to eat this way

low carbing has been really effective for my period cramps and mood

BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 08:19

Welcome, ohforduckscake! Have a good read of the Bootcamp Rules so that you know what to plan for. And sad to say, but Willie is right - by eating all that sugar you have, to a certain degree undone your good work!

The first 2-5 days of low carbing are often quite hard as you are going through carb withdrawal. It's sometimes called carb flu, which indicates how you might feel. If you go through the shaky, faint feeling again, eat something non-carby. A piece of cheese would be perfect.

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vnmum · 10/07/2012 08:25

tea do you cleanse with the jojoba and castor every day? I did try it but not sure if it made things worse, but not sure if that was just loads of stuff coming to surface before starting to clear. I've read on some sites to do it daily and others say twice a week or so

AlpinePony · 10/07/2012 09:08

Cliff I have a book "Paleo diet for athletes" - it's primarily aimed at triathletes including those that do the Ironman ones - so I think a 10k is fine. :)

OHforDUCKScake · 10/07/2012 09:13

I had a feeling you would say that! Ok next time it happens I'll just roll with it. Unpleasant feeling though!

Thanks for your help.

teaandthorazine · 10/07/2012 09:16

vnmum - I use it every day. I massage in a few drops before I get in the shower in the morning and in the evening I do the same and then gently wipe it off with cotton wool to remove makeup etc. No other cleanser, toner etc. Definitely no exfoliating - that's a killer for most skin imo, especially if you have spots. And a blob of cheapo Astral moisturiser before bed!

I buy a bottle of pure jojoba oil from Holland & Barrett which costs about a tenner but lasts for months. I love it. I think it probably did bring out the gunk and make things a bit worse for a short while at the beginning, but my skin is really good now. I'm 39 today and even I know I don't look it Wink

vnmum · 10/07/2012 09:42

I think I will give it another bash then tea. Interesting about the exfoliating. I have gone back to a normal facewash and exfoliating wash which has cleared it up for now but I am starting to get little ones coming back. I will wait until after the weekend then get the jojoba out again. thanks

Off to the gym again shortly, not really feeling it but weighed again this morning and have gained 1.5lb overnight. Don't know how but it makes me think I need to get to the gym.

HumphreyCobbler · 10/07/2012 09:51

I am pretty sure that I am retaining water in a major way. I drank at least 3 litres of water yesterday and am not weeing it out at all. Didn't wake in the night, didn't have a large wee this morning. Weighed 9.5 again this morning.

I am in ketosis, I can tell. I have had to take painkillers due to my period pain and I suspect they cause me to retain water.

I am going to keep going despite the apparent lack of weight loss as I feel so good, and my skin and hair is in great condition, my eyes look bright and I actually look younger Shock and trust that the weight loss will follow.

Have started HIIT on my exercise bike too.

Shimbo · 10/07/2012 10:15

Hi all! Still here Grin. Had a not-so-good weekend (glad I am not the only one!) and day yesterday for this WOE so back on track as of today and staying away from the scales! I didn't go madly off track but a bit of alcohol and rice pudding was consumed. But lots of water!

I managed to find some coconut oil in an Asian supermarket yesterday, for £1.99! Was really chuffed as this was so much cheaper than H&B but got it home and realised I didn't know exactly what to use it for! Mind you, I put a little bit on my face last night and it is soooo soft today.

Those who use coconut oil in cooking can you help, and what are the benefits of it? I did have a quick look on the net but not sure I am convinced by anything, it seems very controversial whether it is a 'good' fat or not.

QueenStromba · 10/07/2012 10:51

Have a read of this to explain the benefits of coconut oil. I put a spoonful in anything Thai I make or anything I feel could benefit from being a bit coconutty.

MsRinky · 10/07/2012 11:06

Happy birthday Tea !

mummyduff · 10/07/2012 11:32

Morning all, just back from swimming a mile and shattered not sure whats happened to my energy levels since SundayConfused!

Happy Birthday Tea, have a fab day.

Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 12:08

Happy birthday Tea! Grin

B: 3 egg omelette.

HavingAnOffDAy · 10/07/2012 12:52

Marking my place to come back later, thanks for the new thread Smile

Creamtea1 · 10/07/2012 13:09

Vnmum I also keep having overnight gains, as another poster said I suspect it is water retention majorly as I am averaging only 2-3 wee's per 24 hours! Had to do a 24 hour fast with a gym session in the fast period to try and kickstand things - it did take a pound back off.

Jins · 10/07/2012 13:17

Please don't worry about overnight gains and do anything drastic to get things moving. Fluctuation is absolutely normal

If you are weighing every day then take an average weight for the week. I'm sure you'll see it's a downward trend.

captainmummy · 10/07/2012 13:26

2-3 wees in 24 hours? I wee before bed, get up in the night and then still need a big wee at 7am! And that's just the night!

One of the big down-sides to this WoE.

SharonGless · 10/07/2012 13:26

Happy birthday tea, hope you have a super slinky birthday!!
Greek yoghurt and few blueberries for breakfast
Off to funeral now Sad and only had pistachio nuts for lunch

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