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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
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ILoveStripeySocks · 10/07/2012 17:55

Amax, I would politely ask them how much research they had done on this WOE, and tell them that I had researched enough to know that it was healthy & right for my body!

WillieWaggledagger · 10/07/2012 18:01

Amax how infuriating - I'm very close to saying out loud (currently only in my head) "my weight and diet are not subjects of public discussion" to dp's mum who has been making digs. I have explained a little but she really wasn't listening so I have just stopped responding to comments until she stops talking. We otherwise have a good relationship

smokinaces · 10/07/2012 18:14

I am sitting in pizza hut with the kids - aaah!!

But have managed it. Had plain salad from the salad bar with the garlic mozzerella prawns. Gave the kids the garlic bread and avoided the pasta.

The ice cream looks gorgeous but I have resisted and had an extra diet coke.

Feel bloody virtuous!!!!

aroomofherown · 10/07/2012 18:33

Hello! Happy birthday tea

Amax How rude! I wouldn't bother talking to them about your WOE (because it IS counterintuitive, mainly because I suspect our whole dietary education is controlled by (the sugar, wheat in particular) industry profit, rather than genuine health) , just show them by how well you look!

I'm feeling very well, and my skin is looking younger. The wrinkles aren't coming out as much Smile

Not sure if I've lost any weight yet as I don't have any scales, but I do feel less bloated. And I've really enjoyed eating (although I'm sure I've gotten a few things wrong, such as too many tomatoes, green beans, red peppers and a mini magnum Blush).

Do painkillers make you retain water? Do they actually impede weight loss or just mask it until you get off them?

BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 18:42

Well done, smokinaces!

Amax - I understand your frustration. Have you done any reading about low carbing? If you haven't, I'd start with Escape the Diet Trap (goodness me, I really ought to get commission for the number of times I recommend this book!) by Dr John Briffa. That will help you to get a grip (easily - it's very well written and easy to read) on the basics behind low carbing and, more importantly, why it's better than trying to eat low fat. That will give you a bit of ammunition! You could also always try saying, in a fairly superior/supercilious tone "have you not been watching The Men Who Made Us Fat?" And then just leave it like that! Let them wonder what you know about that they don't know!

And just get on with it and enjoy what you're eating.

ILoveStripeySocks - your recipe sounds lovely! Could you put it (and any others that you like) on the Bootcamp Recipe thread, please?

For me, back on the wagon now. Yesterday:

B - one boiled egg
L - fried pork chop with creamed mushrooms
D - Spanish Chicken (IPD recipe/on the recipe thread), and fried leeks
no snacks
not sure how much water - forgot to keep track!

Today:

B - full fat yoghurt before the gym
L - same as yesterday
D - roast pork with celeriac boulangere (if it's nice I'll share how I made it) and braised red cabbage
snack - couple of spoons of full fat cottage cheese and black pepper, slice cheese
water - will be around 2 litres - hopefully more.

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ILoveStripeySocks · 10/07/2012 18:58

Here is the courgette recipe if anyone would like to try it!

ILoveStripeySocks · 10/07/2012 19:00

Ooops, will add it to the recipe thread too!

Amaxapax · 10/07/2012 19:16

Thank you all for sensible and calming replies. BIWI, I have read loads about low carbing. I first started down this road last year when I was doing a lot of research on the Paleo diet and flirting with that, but couldn't bring myself to give up fruit. I can explain all about insulin spikes and glycogen stores and being a fat burner instead of a sugar burner. I really think it comes down to beliefs about calories, and I do struggle to explain why you can eat more calories on a low carb diet and still lose weight since so much conventional wisdom is about calories out versus calories in.

On a brighter note, I've just enjoyed salmon with prawns in a butter, garlic and shallot sauce served with a delicious heap of broccoli, so if this WOE is wrong, I don't want to be right.

sybilfaulty · 10/07/2012 19:30

Had a delicious supper last night - Hugh FW spicy pork on little gems. Recipe on the recipe thread. Very thai, and did not miss the sugar which Hugh adds.

Tonight - out to pub. Hope there is something other than pizza. This is assuming I don't dissolve en route, partly because I have knocked back 4l of water already and partly because it has been sloshing it down since about lunchtime.....

CliffBarnsby · 10/07/2012 19:40

I am going to look him up BIWI - my husband thinks I will kill myself off, too. Hmm

ZimboMum · 10/07/2012 19:44

Am devouring Dr Briffa's 'how to escape diet trap' and finding it so very interesting how so much we've been led to believe is all lies - eggs, cholesterol, margerine just for starters. Have been recommending it to everyone and next job is mil and fil who are very in the low-fat, no eggs, low cholesterol camp, and wonder how come they're not losing weight. Will get dp on the case :)

Most irritating bit of this woe? Needing the loo every five mins or so! 3.5l of water so far today

BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 19:48

There is absolutely no way you will do that, Cliff! All you're doing is rearranging the proportions of your diet. You are not cutting out an entire food group.

Instead of eating carbohydrate/protein/fat, you will switch it round to eat fat/protein/carbohydrate. Your carbs will come from vegetables and salads and, after the first couple of weeks, a limited amount of fruit.

The fat you will eat will come from meat/fish/eggs, and you will also be eating (some) cheese, butter and (some) cream. Mayonnaise can be used (full fat, of course) to add to your meals. Fat is good for you because it helps to keep you functioning, and your body can burn it for fuel without spiking an insulin release, which is what causes you to lay down fat. When you eat carbohydrates, the body releases insulin and this results in fat being laid down.

In addition, the emphasis should be on fresh/pure/unprocessed foods, and the avoidance of processed foods and artificial ingredients and additives.

How could a diet like that possibly kill you?!

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Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 20:40

ahem. Berrocca?

Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 20:48

I have realised that the cramps I am getting in my tummy muscles are because of all the water i am drinking!! Need to up my salt.

Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 20:50

tea: broccolli, but could not eat the bolognese sauce DH had cooked to go with it. The mince I had bought was of such poor quality neither of us could eat even one mouthful. Sad

MrsNouveauRichards · 10/07/2012 21:05

Hello, can I come back?

I struggled with bootcamp, but managed 2 weeks with only a couple of minor slip ups, week 3 was a bit hard and by week 4 I had given up LC, but was continuing with a better diet and still losing weight and it seemed I had got the balance right.

Then DS got croup and we ended up in hospital, so several nights of not sleeping, having a boy cling to me all day and us living on convenient food for a few weeks meant I was soon reaching for more caffeine and sugar and carbs. I am now back to where I started and feel I need to go back to bootcamp to stop the hold that sugar has over me. I am so cross with myself as I was happy with my lighter LC diet and felt so good, now I feel fat and lethargic again.

So, can I come back pretty please? Blush

GreenEyesAndHam · 10/07/2012 21:19

Welcome back MrsNR, hope your boy is on the mend

Goddess I seem to remember reading on here that Berroccas were quite carby?

MNP · 10/07/2012 21:29

Evening MrsNR I hope your lad is settled and happy now.

Don't beat yourself up, hospital eating is only suitable for high sugar and carbs and not sensible eating like LC.

Go back to the LC way you were following and you'll lose the weight again and continue to lose.

L: butter slow roasted chicken leg with cucumber
S: as above
D: shrimp, mayo, leaves

NigellasGuest · 10/07/2012 21:52

Happy Birthday, Tea Thanks

I spend my entire life wee-ing since starting this WOE - it is definitely the main drawback. Can't really think of any other drawbacks though and it's worth it!

My skin is way, way, way better. I have never suffered from eczma (if I had I would know how to spell it by now)!! or other skin conditions, by my skin just looks more plumptious.

Re. TOM.... from what I can tell, it has completely stopped. Don't know whether it's the WOE or menopause! Had a bloodtest a few months ago and result did not show imminent menopause Confused. would rather like TOM to come, because last time it did (whenever that was) I lost a couple of pounds!

SharonGless · 10/07/2012 21:56

Hi just quick check in for friendly faces. Staying off other threads for a while - grim day at my friends funeral and also heard of someone else who I used to know who died today.
Had chicken filled with feta, wrapped in prosciutto celeriac mash, buttery cabbage and cauli for tea. Yum

Tomorrow is another day

Thegoddessblossom · 10/07/2012 22:15

Filled bolognese gap with celery and ham, baby bel, and some yoghurt with raspberries.

Pork scratchings and a coffee with cream

BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 22:15

Sorry to hear that Sharon Sad

Thegoddess - I don't think there are carbs in Berocca, but they do contain artificial sweeteners.

Welcome back Mrs NR. Glad your boy is better again.

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NigellasGuest · 10/07/2012 22:16

sorry to hear that, Sharon. You're right, tomorrow is another day..

GreenEyesAndHam · 10/07/2012 22:18

Sharon Sad

Oops sorry, ignore me on the Berroccas then, I must've been thinking of something else. Chips perhaps, or Eccles cakes Grin

BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 22:30
Grin
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