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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
OHforDUCKScake · 15/07/2012 17:52

Afternoon! Well my first week is over. So far so good, today is the first day my muscles havent felt seriously fatigued. Good day all round. 4lb lost in total.

Quick question if thats ok. I knlw we need to avoid sweetners and I know we shouldnt 'want' sweet things (I dont actually have much of a sweet tooth at all) but if I really occasionally fancied something sweet without darting off the carb sugar radar, what could I have? It may or may not make a difference but I cant have dairy. Is there anything? Thanks.

Hope you've all had a good weekend.

OHforDUCKScake · 15/07/2012 17:53

Afternoon! Well my first week is over. So far so good, today is the first day my muscles havent felt seriously fatigued. Good day all round. 4lb lost in total.

Quick question if thats ok. I knlw we need to avoid sweetners and I know we shouldnt 'want' sweet things (I dont actually have much of a sweet tooth at all) but if I really occasionally fancied something sweet without darting off the carb sugar radar, what could I have? It may or may not make a difference but I cant have dairy. Is there anything? Thanks.

Hope you've all had a good weekend.

sybilfaulty · 15/07/2012 18:33

Tea, you have been looking after your friend and supporting her in hospital, so I really think BC is off whilst things are very stressful. In my book, hospitals have Christmas day rules (anything goes...) so if you can get back on track tomorrow, put the difficult food days in the past but don't beat yourself up. Best foot and all that. Hope the dear baby and mama are ok.

Sweet things - I very occasionally crave and if it's bad I have a cup of coffee with soy milk and a splenda, which is not great, but isn't chocolate. I've not had refined sugar per se for 5 weeks now, and only a few coffees. Does the trick and not too derailing (but hopes BIWI or someone else will let me know if I am wrong Smile). I think Bootcamp light lets you eat berry fruit if you wish, in moderation.

Having been on BC for 5 weeks, I even find tea with milk too sweet! Result!

SingingTunelessly · 15/07/2012 18:35

Duck, as you've asked three times you must be desperate Grin. How about a few strawberries if you're not Boootcamping? I take a supplement called Chronium which is supposed to help curb a sweet tooth although not sure how effective it is tbh as my sweet tooth wasn't my downfall anyway Confused

BIWI, when does BBC start and why are the rules? so I can ignore them

Been out for big family get together lunch. Place was actually surprisingly awful so not too hard to leave the food. Great laugh with family though Grin

Ilovemyteddy · 15/07/2012 18:37

Well BIWI you called this thread 'A Baker's dozen' and you got a 'bun' fight

Seriously I think these threads have been really great. I was already three months into this woe when Bootcamp started but have enjoyed the chat, the recipes and the support from everyone. I haven't always followed the rules but am still losing and feel great.

Duck if you fancy something sweet how about one square of 85% dark chocolate? It works for me!!

BIWI · 15/07/2012 18:43

That'll larn me, won't it, Ilovemyteddy?! Grin

Rules for Bootcamp Bonanza Challenge will be Hardcore Bootcamp. In other words, Bootcamp without the cheating! And it will start tomorrow and last for two weeks, taking us to a full 15 weeks of this WOE.

Duck - I would, seriously, try not to give in to the sugar/sweet cravings until you've done two full weeks of this WOE. The whole point of the first two weeks is to break our carb addiction. And if you're fancying something sweet, that's more likely than not the addiction rearing its ugly head.

In other news, I'm delighted to report that my blood pressure seems to have gone down. I bought a monitor from Boots on Friday and finally got round to taking it today, and had a reading of 136/81 - much better than the 143/95 that the GP took, or the other readings on Thursday of 133/97 and 131/94. Obviously I need to take a few more readings to keep an eye on it, just to make sure it stays down.

OHforDUCKScake · 15/07/2012 18:53

Thanks. Sorry about the multipost!

Heartstart · 15/07/2012 18:57

Good news re BP BiWi. Tea sorry re your friends baby hope all ok soon.

ZimboMum · 15/07/2012 19:15

Count me in for BBC. Need to kick the sugar cravings once and for all.

Let's do this! Yeah!

SingingTunelessly · 15/07/2012 19:51

Yay good news re blood pressure BIWI. Smile. I know some other posters mentioned White Coat Syndrome? I have that apparently. Ended up wearing a 24 hr monitor to get an average of 130/68 which was fine. The doctor taking it then and even now actually gives me readings of 150/90. Most odd. I really am not bothered about having my blood pressure taken in the surgery so completely bemused by this syndrome.

Anyway. Back to Bootcamp. Okaaayy. As in no vodka, soda, lime and ice? Oooh.

You are a star for keeping us going btw. Smile

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 15/07/2012 20:02

Jins, does low carb work for you without water? I have been v bad with the water today - have drunk maybe a pint and a half. Am intrigued by the idea of not having to force it down.

Jins · 15/07/2012 20:10

I've had to keep a record of fluid intake and output recently so I know exactly how much I drink.

On average I'm drinking 3.5l of fluid a day. One of my mugs is 350ml and I drink 10 or so over the course of the day. I've not got my copy of diet revolution handy but I think it recommends 6-8 glasses. Which is going to be 2-2.5l.

(On average 0.00l of that is water. I just don't like it)

SharonGless · 15/07/2012 20:51

Jin, so you count any fluid? I thought I couldn't count decaf coffee/peppermint tea etc?

Have had a lovely day today. My best friend had her little boy christened today who they adopted 12 months ago. Just lovely.
B cheese and mushroom omlette with slice of bacon
L buffet lunch with lots of low carb stuff sausages, pesto chicken, crudités salad

one slice of christening cake

D Dh ordered Chinese -had spare rib, chicken wings, chicken and mushroom with bean sprouts
Didn't enjoy it at all tbh

ZZZenAgain · 15/07/2012 20:51

I don't weigh myself but can I join the bootcamp anyway for those 2 weeks? After that I am off on holiday so I am motivated even if I cannot compete for the Biggest Loser title.

Jins · 15/07/2012 21:02

If you're boot camping then no you can't count any fluid. If you're following certain low carb plans then no you can't. You asked me what I do and I haven't written a plan Wink

My take on it is that it is important to keep hydrated. Water is pretty damn good for hydration purposes but if you're like me and really don't like it then you start to struggle when you cut down on coffee (my usual drink). I don't count coffee for normal everyday purposes and I don't count alcohol but everything else is fair game Grin

Sorry BIWI Blush

SharonGless · 15/07/2012 21:04

Just interested to get different takes on it. I am drinking around 2-2.5 litres of water
No alcohol for me for 2 weeks to dry out before 40th

Jins · 15/07/2012 21:15

I think 2 - 2.5 is pretty good. Grin

Thegoddessblossom · 15/07/2012 21:37

Chicken curry made with Lloyd grossman tikka masala sauce with green beans. Coffee with cream.

Snacks: red wine and macadamia nuts.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 15/07/2012 22:31

Thanks Jins - interesting! I drink a couple of big mugs of tea a day, sometimes more, but decaff in the evenings. I just don't naturally drink a lot.

SpringGoddess · 15/07/2012 22:57

Went for a run, legs are still sore from hardcore session on friday, so ran pretty slow,

B -yoghurt and strawberries
L - burger with all the bits but no buns
D - beef rendang with cauli rice - fab, even the dcs waxed on about it

And then I gave in to ds's triple choc cookies - awful things they are - too bloody nice. Need to just say no to choc, completely.

Tortington · 16/07/2012 00:57

This is exactly why i don't post so prolifically on the subject anymore. once you get a name for something - you become a target.

Same with 'teen guru' label i once had, just a chance for people to have a strop.

tbh, anyone who puts time and effort in and does the research should be applauded.

I remember being slated for organising the Xmas do one year. in the same 'who are you to organise it every year.

some people are just mean to the marrow

0TTers · 16/07/2012 06:44

Go away for the weekend and what happens to the place?! You should have stuck to tradition and had a wild house party behind my back with lots of underage drinking, snogging and broken furniture.

Well I am so up for strict bootcamp! After induction on Dukan where I nearly starved, I lost 11lbs and since changing to this last week, I've lost nothing Sad. So v strict for me, no nuts, no cheeky vodkas or red wine and no cheese.

Do you need my starting weight, or is there some chart I have to fill in?

0TTers · 16/07/2012 06:46

Oh and can I just say, chicken wings are a revelation! Never permitted my self to eat the skin from a chicken before and last night - yum.

Finbar · 16/07/2012 07:37

Not a great weekend food wise as had family to stay...but I made a creamy curry and avoided the rice. Likewise on family trip to Wagamama's.
But chocolates I did have, and oddly - or maybe not so oddly , they tasted really sweet to me. That's a good sign I'm thinking. So no weight loss this week, but no weight gain so I'm happy!

B - today Total Greek yogurt and raspberries

PMMummy · 16/07/2012 07:57

I'm in - packed up and prepared. I really need to get my head back to where it was a week ago, I felt great. Today I feel rubbish after slipping at various times over the weekend.

I'm also thinking I may put the scales away for a fortnight and concentrate on focusing myself rather than watching the pounds - and then hopefully get a good result at the end of the fortnight. Good idea ???