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We had some brilliant successes on the last thread - inches AND pounds lost and lots of people feeling happier, calmer and more focussed on their goals.

Remember that this is NOT a DIET, it is a healthy way of eating. You will NOT lose 5lbs a week - you might even GAIN weight in the first weeks!

:( Minnie

Minnie poor DS, hope he recovers well from it, must have been awful.

I'm having a curry tonight, takeaway, and don't think I'll be logging it on MFP and we have 3 days of birthdays/going out this weekend so I may be a little quiet!

I'm not going to go bonkers though or see it as carte blanche to scoff everything in sight.I'm still going to eat through the day to avoid having a massive pig out when we go out. Monday will be back to normal.

Today I have walked really far, shoving DNephew in his buggy, and have been soooo hungry all day. I have been using him as a weight today lifting him up and down all day is bound to build up my muscles!

Christ Minnie, I'm not sure I wouldn't have vomited! Your poor DS, I hope he is on the mend soon x

Today in Sainsbury's I bought some smoked mackerel. What do I do with it? It is a bit of a departure for me, I'm strictly a salmon-only girl when it comes to oily fish. It isn't the peppered sort, just normal.

Also, I bought some special jars to do fridge-porridge in, so that DH can take one on the train in the morning. I do have random jars, but I thought he might look a numpty. I'm an idiot, aren't I?

Thanks all, he managed to play Lego Star Wars so he's definitely on the mend! Very sad face in bed when he realised he couldn't sleep on that side though.

No idea on the mackerel front here I'm afraid. Similar question about tinned sardines - do you eat them whole?? Or do you have to top and tail them?? It's been years since I ate them and quite fancy trying again but can't remember

Whatever floats your boat, Ali! You could just use a lidded Tupperware
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dislocated elbow sounds hideous - poor thing - and poor you! I'd have the well cracked open by now.

Ideas for wanting something sweet of an evening: peaches tinned in fruit juice, with Greek yoghurt and maybe some toasted flaked almonds if you have enough cals. Just sweet enough to be pleasant but not so's to spike your blood sugar if that's an issue. Makes a nice pudding also. You could use the frozen forest fruits or freah berries as well, although most people will probably reach for the sweetener as they're more tangy.

If you have to have something sugary, meringue nests do the trick - again, with Greek yoghurt/fruit. You could just crumble half a one in and gradually reduce the amount you need if you're trying to wean off the sugar.

Oh mackerel - I think I might be weird, but I like it heated and put in a sandwich with mayonnaise added. You can also make pate with cream cheese (some people add cottage cheese) and lemon juice. Nice with a baked spud or crispbreads I'm told but I can't stand them.

It's years since I had tinned sardines but I had some fresh ones (well, in a packet with garlic, lemon and chilli from Sainsbury's) the other day, and they had no heads on. They were delish actually - must get some more.

I normally eat smoked mackerel cold, on its own, with salad. Or with a hardboiled egg or 2 for a high-protein breakfast.

Smoked mackerel is yummy hot or cold. Good with eggs and horseradish sauce, with avocado and pumperknickel or crispbreads, delicious in pate... Aldi do scrummy smoked mackerel with lemon and parsley but watch the bones. Might have some for lunch tomorrow.

Just watching Men Who Made Us Fat.

I might have missed something but I have a question: if this way of eating is all about calories in versus calories out as it seems to be, does it actually matter where the calories come from? I ask this not because I want to eat unhealthy foods ( I actually have quite healthy tastes), but just to understand better what it's about and why it works.

Smoked mackerel -

ceebeegeebies I might have to ask her for the recipe. Both dds scoffed it, so I guess it tasted good!

cartoonjane I think that the macros of 30% fat, 30% protein and 40% carbs is supposed to be optimum. Also, eating clean and low sugar/gi stops blood sugar levels spiking which makes you crave more. I'm sure someone will come along and explain it better.

SE both smoked mackerel and smoked salmon have high salt, but if you factor that into your days food I suppose it's ok. Tinned and fresh mackerel really yummy too.

Whoever asked about sardines you can buy tinned which are skinless and boneless. French make Connetable are very delicious but more pricy.

I always eat tinned sardines and salmon with the bones - you don't notice them and they are I think a great source of calcium.

I have been keeping up with this thread but not posting much as I'm on my phone and it's a hassle to type. Am really motivated by everyone's ideas, commitment and weightless, though.

Glad your ds is on the mend, Minnie.

I have been doing pretty well, a bit on the flexible side, shall we say, but as I'm bf and weigh less than ever before in my adult life, I'm not really bothered about losing now. I might try for half a stone later in the year. I'm concentrating on running: completed c25k this
Morning. Anyone else running?

ooh maryz will have a look and see if on iplayer.

Cross with mfp right now. Not sure how, but it/i reset my goals to the super low 1200 odd ones it thought i needed. wondered why it was not letting me have much more to eat once i had logged everything . But have taken the opportunity to reset the values taking into account the weight i have lost. Gaah, hate losing calories:(

Maryz, I didn't see that, but I read an article in the Guardian based on it. John Briffa says that too and goes into lots of detail about how sugar/carbs raise your insulin levels and the insulin stores the excess glucose as fat. It was fascinating! The Guardian said that the US had deliberately flogged corn and sugar based foods because they were so cheap to produce, even though they make us fat. Briffa says that all carbs are empty calories and cause blood sugar spikes, which lead to hunger and cravings. Fat, on the other hand, satiates you and you naturally eat less of it.

Also, I found the first diet plan online - it's called A Letter on Corpulence, written by William Banting in 1868 - and he advocates cutting out bread, potatoes, sugar, milk and beer. He includes a diet plan that consists mainly of meat, fish, fruit and veg, although he also has large allowances of wine. This caught on like wildfire in the late 1860s and 70s and 'banting' became a synonym for dieting. So they knew then that sugar and starch were the enemies!

Was it called The Men Who Made Us Fat? www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2012/24/Men-Who-Made-Us-Fat.html

I saw that programme. I already knew the bit about sugar being the enemy rather than fat - but I hadn't realised the cynical, self-serving machinations of the food industry (why should that surprise me?), when they refused to allow any fingers to be pointed at sugar as the source of obesity and ill-health, but were happy to go down the 'fat makes you fat' route, since this meant a whole new industry and source of profit opened up. Replacing the flavour lost by removing the fat with sugar - win-win.

Shame the presenter had such a dull voice - I'm sure a lot of people would have turned over and missed the whole message.

So illuminating, though..

Have just started watching it on iPlayer - am horrified at the thin presenter having 5 litres of fat around his organs! God, imagine what I've got!

I agree it was really interesting! Michael Pollan talks about the American high fructose corn syrup too. All the neuroscience about how it hooks you too - there was a recent program with a female dr (sorry can't remember her name) who looked at research into how obese people's brains were addicted to high cal food and how bariatric surgery changed that spiral of addiction.

I did know the sugar industry was very powerful but I didn't realise they had affected WHO recommendations. Shocking!

I saw that last night, really interesting. I was practically sitting on DH to make him watch it too!

Thanks for the ideas about mackerel, I will give it a go for lunch tomorrow I think. I especially like the creme fraiche, lemon etc idea as I really like tuna this way.
I am not worried about the salt, I have discovered doing this that I eat very little salt - most days I'm between 800-1000mg of sodium so well under the 2500. I was shocked at how salty bought 'naice' ham is though, I will be buying and soaking a piece of gammon and baking my own from now on - which I do anyway but no more bought ham here.

Shotgun - I thought the presenter was unspeakably dull, which is a shame because what he had to say was very interesting.

I'm at day 17 of no sugar now! No grains either, still can't believe it. I'm also on day two of totm and got a total shock because 1. No warning - no pain, spots or feeling irrationally annoyed with dh and ds's and 2. STILL no pain (usually ave to use feminax)... This oukd e coincidental of cirse but it's making me want to keep going for another month to see if next totm is the same! Still feeling strangely calm and floating along - just had 9B for period 6 on a Friday (imagine 32 14 year olds who can't stop themselves from shouting/making other assorted weird noises) and it was great! I was bouncing around the classroom laughing and keeping them focused and on task where normally I'd have had them working in silence ollowing all sorts of threats - so much nicer I could nearly cry!

Doesn't mean I'm not sat here now imagining an enormous bag of maltesers mind you :D

Hope everyone's doing well :)