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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

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BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 17:07

Always, vnmum!!!

Welcome, HairyMaclary. There is no book, as the Bootcamp is my own invention (perhaps I should write that book though Grin).

Basically the idea is that you do Bootcamp for 2 weeks, and then - if you're happy with the weight loss at that point you can switch to Bootcamp Lite, which is a little bit more relaxed. If you want, you can stay on Bootcamp as long as you like - or do a hybrid, with Bootcamp during the week and Lite at the weekend.

Or you can ignore me and do your own thing which is what most people seem to be doing

Here are the rules of Bootcamp - and if you scroll down, you'll find the rules for Bootcamp Lite

mummyduff and NotMostPeople - Yay! Brilliant, isn't it? I feel like I have a whole new wardrobe, just because I can fit into stuff I haven't been able to wear for years!

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teaandthorazine · 31/05/2012 17:46

vnmum - judging trollies is my favourite pastime these days Grin

Hairy - you can always try the Idiot Proof Diet by India Knight if you feel you want some of that there book learnin' Wink. It's what started me on my low-carb 'journey' (hemhem). But of course BIWI's rules are FAB!

BIWI - Rome? Jealous? Moi? Have an utterly fantabulous time. (And I'm not saying a single word about pasta and gelato...) I'd volunteer for the thread-starting on Monday but I'll be deep in the New Forest staring down ponies and trying to get the grill working on my camper van without blowing dp and I sky-high. Not quite La Dolce Vita, I'll admit...

teaandthorazine · 31/05/2012 17:47

(And yes, I know moi isn't Italian, before anyone points and laughs Grin)

NigellasGuest · 31/05/2012 17:54

BIWI have a fantastic time! I am very envious! However I do have pork belly to look forward to tonight - it's in the oven right now - have never had it before (not knowingly anyway). I definitely haven't cooked it before, that's for sure.

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 17:55
Grin
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BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 17:55

Sorry - was grinning at tea, not at your cooking efforts, NigellasGuest!

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NigellasGuest · 31/05/2012 17:57

I know BIWI Grin

DCs will be Grin tonight when they try the delicious pork belly!

HairyMaclary · 31/05/2012 18:01

Ok - thanks all, will look at the India knight book but have already printed out the rules for the Bootcamp as they are so simple. I think you do need to write that book! Is there a max carb 'dose' per day that you need to keep under?

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 18:12

Nope. Simplicity is the name of the game. The idea is that you don't need to count anything if you follow the rules and stick to the allowed veg (and focus on veg that is 3g carbs per 100g.)

However, if you've never done low carbing before, and want to know about the carbs in your servings of veg, I have a Handy Spreadsheet that will work it all out for you.

If you want me to send it to you, PM me your e-mail address.

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SharonGless · 31/05/2012 18:45

BIWI I will do the new thread and the weighing in thread if you want

Am around all weekend as working Sunday and Tuesday

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 19:02

Oh yes please!

Thank you so much.

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SharonGless · 31/05/2012 19:24

No problem - am very jealous of your holiday though. We are off to Venice for 3rd summer- I heart Italia

SharonGless · 31/05/2012 19:29

Have you been to Rome before ? I went with my best friend 10 years ago to Rome, Florence and Venice and just loved it

SharonGless · 31/05/2012 19:33

I really do think the key to this WOE is planning. We have been camping this week and the only time I have strayed other than alcohol was by not planning lunch on the first day and everyone else having sandwiches so I ended up having some too. I had thought I would buy something there but in the midst if putting up tents it just didn't happen.
Putting DC to bed then mal planning for the weeke ahead. Belly pork slices from Aldi are on my list!

WillieWaggledagger · 31/05/2012 19:47

wow enjoy rome!

i just had fillet steak with creamy mushroom sauce and curly kale cooked in butter with salad

MNP · 31/05/2012 19:51

Have a great time Biwi

slowlyburningcalories · 31/05/2012 20:06

I have doen an unexpected fast today, breakfast was scraped due to blinding headache and screaming toddler. I just wanted her to go to nursery so i could think straight! Then when i got to work i decided that there was nothing suitable to eat.

Lunch was scrapped and ended up being a babybel at 3pm

Tea is cooking - mince and salad

heartstart · 31/05/2012 20:35

BIwi have a a fab hols, dh, ds and I went for a week last oct. it was bella, bella we all wanted to live there.

Today b mushroom frittata
Lunch smoked salmon salad coleslaw
D duck, stir fry sprout and spinach

On my 5th litre of water and ketosis stick on darkest shade!!!!!

Hairy welcome

studyingstudying · 31/05/2012 20:48

Thanks for your lovely welcome everyone!

I hate the taste of sweetener so haven't been having any even on Dukan, it means I've been eating plain natural yoghurt etc which is fine.

I think the main difference for me between these two ways of eating would be not having any dairy...I am a huge fan of skimmed milk lattes. How do you all cope?

Anyway, I think I am going to do bootcamp for the first two weeks that BIWI suggests and then see how I go :) Wish me luck!

Whoever spoke about sugar a bit further upthread - I am exactly the same! If I can get through the 3 day cravings/slump then I am fine, but one little bit of sugar sets me off again...

heartstart · 31/05/2012 21:31

Hi sorry i missed you!

I love latte but really don't miss on this woe

Back to my scotgpch egg obsession what about Sesame seed instead f bread cruMbs - same carb as almonds less strong flavour

Shimbo · 31/05/2012 21:45

Just wanted to say that for hot chocolate lovers like me, a teaspoon of plain cocoa (Green and Black's is the best) added to hot water and topped with a little full fat milk or cream is gorgeous in my opinion. Very low on carbs as far as I know, and because I no longer crave sugar it tastes sweet enough without it to me and gives me my chocolate fix.

FiddleDeFat · 31/05/2012 22:11

heartstart Have just posted scotch egg recipe and some variations on the recipe thread.

BettyBathroom · 01/06/2012 06:55

Still here, still maintaining - although weight fluctuates massively (5lbs), which is a bit scary but I can often tell I'm bloated - usually from having the very odd pudding or too much alcohol.

We're off on our hols tomorrow - long haul flight and no low carb options, so I'm making food to take on board - if I'm going to have carbs on holiday - they're going to be tasty ones - not the crap they give you on a flight.

So I'm bringing some lightly steamed broccoli, savory muffins (yet to make), macadamia nuts, parmesan to nibble on and 85% choc - Dc's were offered the Airline's food - but they politely declined Grin so they're having wholemeal pasta with pesto, parmesan cheese to nibble on, cherry toms, broccoli and Green & Blacks chocolate - the white one and the mint crisp they are massive bars - I do remember choc in America being rank so they may not last for long - but many other temptations await, a visit to the supermarket will be an eye opener.

WillieWaggledagger · 01/06/2012 08:09

enjoy your hols betty - US supermarkets boggled my mind - they have beaten eggs in cartons!

i have another item for the smuglist?:
i have dark circles under my eyes (hereditary - my dad and grannie have this too), but they are considerably improved on this woe

BIWItheBold · 01/06/2012 08:16

Betty - whereabouts in the US are you going?

Willie - that could be to do with the water. Dark circles can be linked to dehydration, apparently.

I've bought a box of Atkins Daybreak bars (5 in a box) to take with me, in case of no LC options. Our flight is around 2pm today, so we will have lunch at the airport which hopefully means I can find something suitable. I'm really hoping that I can keep my resolve and not fall face first into plates of pasta or desserts. Although I'm not going to miss out on the alcohol Grin.

I know that I'm (mentally) in a bit of a dangerous place at the moment, as I'm getting a bit cheesed off with my weight staying the same, and I can feel that 'oh sod it' type of thinking lurking round the edges of my brain!

So if you could all think strict Bootcamp thoughts and send them my way, I would very much appreciate that.

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