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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

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BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 06:33

Although I'm pleased to be wearing all manner of stuff that's been buried in my wardrobe for years, I can't say I'm as pleased with my scales Hmm

Back up to 10.1 1/4 today. I just can't seem to get back into and stay into the 9s, which is very frustrating.

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SharonGless · 31/05/2012 06:47

Welcome studying I love this woe and I heart BIWI a
D the support on this thread. However I weighed in for first time in ten days and have put on 4lbs Sad this is a combination of too much alcohol, not enough water carb creep and lots of walking so muscles weighing heavier.

Back to boot camp for me but I have had a great few days away and know that I am back on track and determined to continue.

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 06:50

Well, Sharon, the average weight gain for a woman after her holiday (I seem to remember somewhere!) is 7lbs, so you're way under that.

And you had a great holiday, right?

Back to Bootcamp and you'll soon see those pounds disappear again.

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smokinaces · 31/05/2012 08:37

Biwi I have been good as gold and my scales are playing silly buggers. Can only presume its a mix of pmt, water retention, heat and just plain annoyance.

WillieWaggledagger · 31/05/2012 08:45

i've been weighing every day these last couple of weeks as an experiment, and it seems that my weight goes up in the middle of the week and back down again towards the end, with the actual net loss over the weekend. admittedly this is only two weeks of observation, but i don't know whether this is just how it is, or whether i'm doing something right at weekends that i'm not doing during the week. . .

teaandthorazine · 31/05/2012 09:41

Hi studying - we think you should convert of course! Wink

As BIWI says, this is a much healthier WOE than Dukan. Pure protein days always seemed like a dodgy concept to me. Dukan completely ignores the idea that low carb needs to equal high fat for optimum body function and diet effectiveness.

Higher fat is sooooo good for you - honest! - plus it means that you don't get hungry. And you don't have to eat those horrid low-fat yoghurts with aspartame in them Grin

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 10:02

I think I need someone to tell me what to do!

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PostBellumBugsy · 31/05/2012 10:03

Whoop for BIWI in her jeans with the 2-shirt tucked in. Fantastic.

Tea - so well done for steering clear of the KrispyKremes. They are the work of the devil. Wink 100% refined carbs & sugar - pure evil. Make sure you polish your halo for staying strong & virtuous in the face of such temptation! Grin

survivingspring · 31/05/2012 11:04

Yay, yay, yay another lb down this week. I am so happy I made it down to my target weight in a month - never thought that would happen Grin

Also, I'm totally convinced I can keep this up because apart from a handful of times I haven't felt hungry and most of my fav foods are fine with this woe. A total low carb convert!!

vnmum · 31/05/2012 11:37

Heartstart I love the reduced section for meat. I have just done my weekly shop and ended up chucking loads of extra meat in off the reduced bit. The most bargainous seems to be the fresh tuna steaks. I got some the other day and there were 2 large ones in a bag for 2.85 reduced from over £8!! I was very pleased with myself that day. We bbq'd them and they were lovely.

BIWI You are obviously losing inches if not on the scales. Could it be due to toning up from exercise? And why do you need someone to tell you what to do? You have all the knowledge Wink

Schnarkle · 31/05/2012 11:44

sigh sigh and triple sigh. I'm back to 151. It all started with some tesco lamb kebabs. Only 3 ish carbs each but they must have had some sugar in there as its set me off on a sugar chase. Like a mad woman, I cannot be trusted around sweet foods.

Its only 2lbs on but even as I was binging on what ever I could find I couldn't believe what I was doing. No stopping me until all I was eating was gone. Blush

So back to bootcamp, no processed foods drinking pints of water.

PostBellumBugsy · 31/05/2012 12:08

Aw Schnarkle, I feel your pain. I think of myself as a sugar addict. Literally a nibble of the stuff & I am like a desperate junkie looking for my next fix.

However, you'll lose that 2lb again in no time. Alot of it will be water retention from the carbs & that will come off in no time.

You've just inspired me to refill my water glass too!

MNP · 31/05/2012 12:41

:)

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 14:12

Now chaps. I'm off avec mon mari to Rome this weekend, sans enfants. (Who wouldn't want to come with us anyway!). So I will not be around to set up a weighing in thread on Monday, nor a Week 8 thread.

Would anyone else like to do the honours?

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BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 14:13

I should hasten to add, before you all phone social services, that DC are 20 (also away at university) and 17.
Grin

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PostBellumBugsy · 31/05/2012 14:42

Ciao bella BIWI! You shall be the toast of Rome. Have a wonderful weekend.

HairyMaclary · 31/05/2012 14:59

Hello all, BIWI especially,

I've been following this but DS has been in hospital for the last 6 weeks so I haven't been able to do it. He's now out and I really want to do this, could do with loosing a stone! Is there a book or something that sets out the rules and the progression through the stages from bootcamp onwards?

I can't always get on line and it would be nice to have a hard copy of something (might also help persuade DH that it's not just a MN fad!)

NigellasGuest · 31/05/2012 15:47

Aha! While you're in Rome BIWI you can quickly write the book!

Theeverexpandingrodders · 31/05/2012 15:50

I have just been shopping i noticed when in sainsburys that their own unsweetened lacto free milk is really really low in carbs much lower than cream ect so sitting having a coffee and its actually not too bad!

FavadiCacao · 31/05/2012 16:00

How lovely for you, BIWI. Buon viaggio.

Thegoddessblossom · 31/05/2012 16:06

Hairy - why not copy and paste the rules (which are all in BIWI's post at the start of this thread) and print them out?

mummyduff · 31/05/2012 16:20

Hi All

I am also off on hols at the weekend, so had a trying on session last night and ending up with a huge bag of clothes for the charity shop! Half of my clothes are too bigGrin and things I have not ever been able to get into - I can wohoo!!!

Breakfast - mushroom omelette
lunch - prawn salad
dinner - chilli with salad

thanks all for keeping me on track in my moments of weakness etc x x x

vnmum · 31/05/2012 16:41

Chicken portions and belly pork with salad for us tonight.
I have to say, I felt quite smug today in the supermarket. I only had to go down a few aisles and apart from a few items for the DC my trolley was filled with meat and veg and no carbs, unlike most of the other people whose trolleys were piled high with frozen potato offerings, bread, biscuits etc.

Does anyone else judge other peoples trolleys nowadays? Smile

NotMostPeople · 31/05/2012 16:53

At Easter I made myself a pair of 7/8th trousers that fitted perfectly and I was very pleased with myself and all ready to knock up loads of them in different fabrics.

Yesterday I put them on ...... Massive around the waist, so much so that they fall low enough to see my knickers - whooooo hooooo.

SharonGless · 31/05/2012 17:00

BIWI enjoy your hols
Notmoatpeople - that's fantastic and an really envious of you bring able to make your own clothes. I can knit a scarf but I don't think that really counts!
Well done to everyone else- some really positive posts in here today. Just what I need to get back on track. Well I am sloshing with 3l of water today do far and have a headache and grotty stomach which I presume is the carbs coming out, plus I had s diet coke yesterday.

On the plus side I had my hair cut off on Saturday and had lots of compliments plus people commenting on my weight loss which also helps to get back on track

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