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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

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BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 19:35

Well done, Manvsfood!

Some of that will be water, but by no means all of it.

Yes, of course, the rate of loss will slow down. And that's the hard part. Weeks 1 and 2 will generally see a significant loss, and then weeks 3-5 can see a slow down or an end to weight loss - sometimes even a slight increase. I think it's the body just getting used to the changes you're making, and shifting over from burning carbs to burning fat.

This is the really tricky time, and it's when you have to really 'dig deep' and keep on keeping on.

Then things will start to move again for you. Remember, a weight loss of 1-2lbs a week is what you're most likely to achieve after that (although if you have a lot to lose it can be more than that).

But yes, it's hard. Like any other diet. The big difference is that on this WOE you get to eat yummy food and you will not suffer from gnawing hunger!

What's not to love?

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Theeverexpandingrodders · 30/05/2012 20:13

I hate mayo so today I got myself some garlic flavoured olive oil its lovely on salads ect is olive oil ok it has no carbs ?

Thegoddessblossom · 30/05/2012 20:20

Harcombe says (sorry for constantly mentioning her but...) even if weight loss is water, weight loss is weight loss is weight loss.....

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 20:49

Oil is perfect

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heartstart · 30/05/2012 20:51

Dinner roast duck with crispy skin, celeriac mash, mushrooms cooked in butter and roast Aubergine

BettyBathroom · 30/05/2012 20:52

I only had to look at the ingredients in a Krispy Kreme to go off them for life.

GreenEyesAndHam · 30/05/2012 20:56

Dearie me what a sad state of affairs- youngest child is ill, and won't be able to go to nursery tomorrow, so I'm going into the office for SIX AM to check things out, before doing an 8am handover with DH and coming home. So I'm tucked up in bed Grin

Something I've noticed since starting this WOE, is whilst my energy levels are totally stable throughout the day (no 4pm slump), come 9/10pm I'm completely whacked!

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 21:01

But do you find you're sleeping better?

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heartstart · 30/05/2012 21:02

Had an absolute bonanza on the marked down meat counter today, black farmer sausages (for after boot camp), massive shoulder of pork for £4, whole duck, lamb chops, various pieces of fish. Only stopped because knew didn't have anymore room in freezer.

Has anyone made scotch eggs with pork mince rather than sausagemeat
if so have you got a recipe, did you use anything in place of breadcrumbs.

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 21:03

You could always try ground almonds?

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GreenEyesAndHam · 30/05/2012 21:08

I'm sleeping really well BIWI but to be fair, I've always slept like the dead Blush

I estimated to someone yesterday that it takes me on average 45 to 90 seconds from lights out/ head-pillow to zzzzz Grin

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 21:18

Envy DH is like you. Not that I'm bitter and twisted about it ...!

Only thing I can suggest is that you eat more? Perhaps some kind of snack post dinner?

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teaandthorazine · 30/05/2012 21:18

awww, heartstart Smile

I didn't eat them! I knew in the end that they wouldn't taste as good as I'd hoped (well, not after the first bite at least!) and I'd feel super-pissed-off with myself if I did. It was surprisingly tough though, clearly have not totally broken the sugar-hold.

Chucked out the remaining carby bits from last night's chinese but just had the bok choi and duck that was left over. Weird how the non-carb foods were still totally edible yet the battered/spring roll type stuff looked RANK.

2bayumimum · 30/05/2012 21:30

Greeneyes, so glad you said what you did about being whacked from 9 pm/10pm, I am exactly the same ! Loads more energy in the day, just worn out by mid evening. But yes BiWi definitely sleeping better and NO energy dips in the days whosoever, which is brilliant.

GreenEyesAndHam · 30/05/2012 21:31

Thanks I might try a snack in the evenings but to be honest I can probably just live with it!

Sparkling social life me

GreenEyesAndHam · 30/05/2012 21:32

Nice to know it's not just me 2bay Smile

Agree that no energy slumps on the afternoon is a huge bonus

jan2011 · 30/05/2012 21:40

i also have more energy during the day, its great.

went for dinner tonight, had salmon, parmesan cheese, green beans and broccoli in butter. and some rocket salad leaves :) and a black coffee. all very tasty

heartstart · 30/05/2012 21:41

Tea well done you,
Biwi was thinking of almonds but thought taste mighty be too strong, wil do a couple and see

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 21:46

I think that if you coat them lightly, and if you season the almond flour well, it should be fine.

But worth a try!

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BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 21:47

Oh, and

Today I am wearing my jeans, with my t-shirt tucked in, and wearing a belt

I haven't done this for years Grin

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GreenEyesAndHam · 30/05/2012 21:57

Fantastic BIWI Grin

heartstart · 30/05/2012 21:58

Woo hoo Biwi

MNP · 31/05/2012 00:21

Go Biwi

studyingstudying · 31/05/2012 01:40

Hi everyone, I'm not sure how to do this, but can I join in? I was on the dukan thread but it is really quiet at the moment and I could do with some support / people to chat to and keep me motivated!

I realise its not the same way of eating - do you think I should convert and do bootcamp with you all or keep going with the dukan and use your tips/advice where relevant?

Great to read all your posts! Is there a beginning thread that will explain things?

BIWItheBold · 31/05/2012 06:31

Welcome, studying!

Here is one of the first threads, outlining the rules

And here is the recipe thread, to get you motivated!

It is, IMVHO, a much healthier way of eating the Dukan - artificial sweeteners are not allowed. It is also a high fat way of eating, with the focus being on natural/pure foods, as opposed to processed foods.

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