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Bootcamp Week 3 - Come and chat here

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 08:41

Hopefully you've signed in and weighed in for week 3. Welcome if you're new!

Many people have seen significant weight loss - Jacaqueen has lost a spectacular 13lbs. But you need to prepare yourself for the rate of loss to slow down significantly from now on. And bear in mind:

IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR WEIGHT LOSS TO STOP ALTOGETHER IN WEEKS 3, 4 AND/OR 5.

I have put that in caps/bold because it can come as something of a shop to people when this happens. I don't know why it happens, but I know that it happens - it's happened to me, and I've read about it from many other low carbers.

Here's a piece about it from the Carblife website (well worth a visit if you want more info - but it's a much quieter site than MN)

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS
Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the lowcarb lifestyle (hehe...resistance is futile!) a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.
Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.
A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa!Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!
So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water... The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin antidiuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occuring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite supression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a good thing.
From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself ) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited. Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number).

So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occuring.
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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 08:41

It won't come as something of a shop, clearly. ^something of a shock>, obviously ...

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 08:42
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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 09:01

So how to deal with this apparent 'stall'?

First, knowing that it might happen and why is key. You can prepare yourself for it. Sustainable, long-term weight loss is only going to be 1-2lbs a week, so it's a good idea to prepare yourself mentally for this.

Second, have a look at your target weekly weight loss and see if you need to make it more realistic. You won't lose a stone in the next fortnight!

Third, understand that weight loss is not linear. For the weeks where you lose nothing (or even gain) there will be another week where you suddenly, often inexplicably, drop by 3-4lbs. The name of the game is go focus on the longer term. It's really easy to be obsessive about where you are 'right now' and to take your eye off the overall results and ultimate target. Don't get upset if you seemingly gain a pound or two - as long as you're doing the right things, that will soon disappear.

And take your measurements. It's not uncommon for the scales to remain unchanged but for you to lose inches.

Fourth, be vigilant about your food and drink. You may be following Bootcamp Light rules now, which are less restrictive, but this does not give you carte blanche to cheat!.

If you're not already doing it, keeping a food/drink diary is a really good idea. Log everything that you're consuming. There are two main benefits of this - one, it makes you think a bit more about what you're putting in your mouth and two, if weight loss isn't going as well as you had hoped, you can have a look at what you're eating/drinking and see if you can identify any possible issues. Have you had too much fruit, or too many sweetened things, for example? It's often very helpful to be able to look back as well, to remind yourself of what you were doing during weeks where you lost most - it helps to identify if you're the victim of 'carb creep'.

Because we're not expecting to see such big losses from now onwards, we will only be having an official weigh-in once a week - so the next one will be next Monday.

Good luck everyone!

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ToryLovell · 30/04/2012 09:38

BIWI I'm back with tail between legs having slipped big time, but going to restart with renewed motivation from seeing how well everyone else did

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 09:40

Welcome back! Grin

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flipflopflap · 30/04/2012 11:23

Hello, I'm back. Slipped big time this weekend. Went away and there was very little low carb veggie choices in restaurants, too much wine, not enough water etc etc. Back bootcamping and trying to make up for it. Forgot to weigh in this morning so will do it tomorrow morning.

Todays planned meals:

B: Soya Yogurt, Coconut.
L: Cheese Salad with Mayo
D: Veggie Chilli.

And lots and lots of water!!

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 11:23

flipflopflap - do you want to make any changes to the Veggie Bootcamp rules to make it a 'light' version?

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ToryLovell · 30/04/2012 11:25

Thanks BIWI -

B: spinach and chees omelette
L: whatever is in the fridge salad
D: meatballs with leeks

LackaDAILYcarb · 30/04/2012 11:50

Excellent pep talk BIWI Grin

Back on the programme since yesterday and bouyed by not gaining all the weight I'd lost.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs, 2 bacon, mushrooms and a grilled tomato
Lunch: prawn and avocado salad
Dinner: burger, courgette and mushrooms in butter, green salad

1 litre of water down already.

flipflopflap · 30/04/2012 13:45

BIWI, Just had a quick look, I think everything can stay the same apart from the changes you made, eg, limited alcohol, fruit, sweeteners etc. Does that sound about right to you?

Creamtea1 · 30/04/2012 13:55

I'm here! 4lbs off in bootcamp weeks but TOM is this week so expecting another couple lbs off when that departs.
Have really upped gym and exercise and trying protein shakes too.
And discovered spinach in a big way!

teaandthorazine · 30/04/2012 14:14

Hellllooooo, here you all are! Can't believe it's week 3...

B - protein shake
S - approx 30g macadamias
L - sliced chicken, prosciutto, olives, mayo
D - think it might be roast chicken; someone else is cooking it though so hopefully there won't be roast pots to go with it!

Had a litre of water already, just about to have another. It makes so much difference imo. The one thing I really can't get over on this WOE is the Lack Of Bloat. No more loosening of belt notches throughout the day, no more coming home and getting into pyjamas at 5pm just to feel comfy! I go all day in the same outfit Grin

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 14:16

That sounds fine to me, FFF - just wanted to check.

I've started a thread asking for a webchat with Dr John Briffa www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/a1462006-Please-could-you-organise-a-webchat-with-Dr-John-Briffa#31490082

Please come and post on the thread in support if you would like MN to arrange this!

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 16:19

I could do with a bit of support - haven't had any acknowledgement from MNHQ on this one!

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Badcat666 · 01/05/2012 13:48

ewo all! Weighed myself this morning and only lost 1lb.

Was a bit pissed off as have have cold all week, spent the entire weekend battling cravings for bad bad evil carb things (crisps.... oh crunchy savory crisps... and snickers.. sobs) and on Monday was birthday day at work so someone bought in krispy kremes. Sodding fecking krispy kremes. And someone has now filled the sweetie drawer in the office with bloody huge choc chip cookies. No wonder I'm such a heferlump.

Had been so bloody good and then jumped on scales after my morning number 2 and just 1lb gone. arseburgers.

And then I read the bit about stalling in week 3. :) thankyou! am not so much of a sadcat now. In 3 weeks have lost 9lbs so cannot really moan, just was wishing for another visit from the whoosh fairy. Plus I tried on some tops in my wardrobe and can now fit into 3 more that I couldn't before diet! thank feck for that, some more clothes to wear.

Am here for week 3 of bootcamp (week 4 doing the woe) so onwards and inwards (as I'd like my lardy waist to go!) :)

Soz I don't post much (limited access at home, thanks Talktalk, you useless service provider) and manic at work... meh. But hurrah for bootcamp! :)

RatherBeOnThePiste · 01/05/2012 14:24

Having a prawn stir fry thingy - very nice..

Have stalled on the weight loss, so this info is good to see. Am still on boot camp rules although had macadamias yesterday, twas a one off.

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 01/05/2012 14:39

... and you haven't got much to lose, Pistey, to weight loss will inevitably be slower

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 01/05/2012 14:39

to?
so!

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Thegoddessblossom · 01/05/2012 14:39

L: tuna, coleslaw, black olives, lettuce leaves, pate, cucumber, chicken and bacon bits. Delish.

MrsNouveauRichards · 01/05/2012 15:05

Just marking my place so I can come back and witter on about how hard it was at a child's birthday tea this afternoon and how I inevitably had a piece of cake. See, I am so predictable, even I know that some cake will be consumed despite promising myself it won't.

Better go and drink gallons of water so I spend whole party going to the loo :o

RatherBeOnThePiste · 01/05/2012 15:26

What is a parmesan crisp? I think I want one or more

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 01/05/2012 15:33

Easy peasy Pistey:

Coarsely grate Parmesan
Put in dollops on a baking tray lined with greaseproof/baking parchment (this is very important otherwise they will really stick)
Bake until melted/golden
Leave to cool and peel off the baking sheet

For added je ne sais quoi, dust with cayenne before you bake them

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Jacaqueen · 01/05/2012 15:50

Scales were up a bit this morning but I am really going to try and only weigh on a Monday from now on.

I lost 13lbs in bootcamp so thank you so much BIWI for starting this.

I am here for the long haul as I still have about 4st to get rid of.

This time I really want to stick at it and not be put off by other peoples opinions of low carb. If I continue with this I could be at target for Christmas very easily.

teaandthorazine · 01/05/2012 17:37

Bollocks. Have had cake. And - oh what a surprise! - it wasn't even a particularly nice cake. I was only doing it to be polite.

And now I feel bleaugh and bloaty and as if I have to start all over again. FFS.

teaandthorazine · 01/05/2012 17:38

Plus - I spent a large chunk of last night watching Robert Lustig on Youtube talking about SUGAR and how it is BAD.

I am becoming a low-carb GEEK and yet I still ate fecking cake today.