Why are so many people anti WLI

[Mumble12]

I just don’t understand it!

Mounjaro has literally changed my life overnight. It’s dealt with things that I didn’t even know were fixable. Why are so many people (presumably those that haven’t tried them and really have no intention to) so dead against it.

Do people misunderstand how it works? So many people perceive it as cheating…but I can’t fathom the logic - even if it was cheating…so what?! Why do they want people to be miserable and struggle with obesity?

I just saw it as spoiling for a fight, probably wrongly

the medication doesn’t really matter, it’s the idea that lots of medications can be bought privately but few receive the same hype as WLIs. I’ve just been on Facebook and the first thing that appeared is the newest medexpress advert with someone that is barely overweight dancing around with a box of meds, that totally makes my point

apologies to both of you if I appeared over sensitive it’s just that here can be so fighty just for the sake of it and I’m totally not here for that

I've nothing against them but I am not taking them. My weight problem is due to using food as comfort/numbing due to emotional problems (diagnosed complex trauma by NHS awaiting clinical psychotherapy).

I've lost weight before in the past and although I kept it off for a good number of years I ended up putting it back on.

This time I'm trying to address the root of what I believe causes my overeating as well as eating well to lose the weight.

Every time I start craving (usually cream cakes or icecream) I say to myself what are you actually trying to do and the answer is usually I'm lonely and want the sugar high to numb me so I can forget for a while or I'm sad and experiencing uncomfortable emotions like sadness, regret, fear. So then I say well eating cakes won't help any of that will it except for 5 mins and then you have all the problems associated with being fat.

Not saying it's a perfect solution but for me I'm trying to get to the underlying causes of why I crave sugar as a numbing agent.

2 and a half stone down and still lots to go. It's slow but happening.

well done, that's fab it's working for you!! ❤

A very good way to decribe

and yes the bingo card has been around a while it’s so funny as everything on it really does get said

BINGO 😂😂

But fir people who arrive at injections eating isn't a pleasure. It's a compulsion, a craving, a torment. And each they succumb to it and over eat , they hate themselves a little bit more.
What's pleasurable about that?

What you hear over and over us " This must be how normal people feel". Meaning going about their day without constant food noise.

And the current NHS weight management programmes address obesity and it's causes so well?
It does neither.

Sometimes the reasons are that people are contanstantly hungry because of many things. Their sugar feed back systems, their satiety hormones. Pure biochemistry , not childhood trauma or anything else.
And the jabs treat these metabolic reasons for obesity very well indeed

I told my friend of 45yrs I was taking MJ. Cue 😯 expression and,

• you're taking it from diabetics

-you don't need MJ to lose weight! I was sorry I opened my mouth. The bingo card is accurate.

If people think we are evangelical about MJ, it is because of the benefits. I just got my best health report in 20 yrs. My cholesterol went from 7 to 5. I've lost almost 20lbs (long previous history with different diets). Would you listen to someone describing difficulty with menopause without describing the benefits you find with HRT.?

What made me decide to take MJ was a thread on here, asking if people had any regrets about taking MJ, and most said 'not starting sooner '.

BTW I have plenty of will power. I quit a!cool in 2017, drink coffee rarely (1/month), have a professional job. Tutor my ADHD child 3 evenings a week. Exercise most days -
I like the cake analogy. I volunteered at our school fête. I bought the buns.😉

I know 4 people on the injections. All have hidden this from their kids or friends. One told me she feels a failure for having had to resort to them. Another plays it down but has lost approx 15kg in 2 months. She often tells me im too overweight and need to take it. Im too scared to take anything but it's almost impossible for me to see any shift in the scales. I'm also worried about hair lose and feeling sick.

People just assume it's a quick fix and think those who take them have no will power. The truth is I'm amazed at how it works for people. Some days my friends do nothing and the weight still comes off.

I've told a couple of people now. My eldest daughter and 3 close friends. At a party on saturday and another friend has lost a significant amount of weight. Maybe from a 16 to a 12. Everyone was commenting how well she'd done and someone said to me 'you look fab too, how much have you lost'. I said 3.5 stone now and one of the friends I'd told (who initially was supportive and asked me whether I thought it would work for her!!) loudly said "oh yeah cos you've worked really hard to lose it haven't you"

I ignored her, but it annoyed me because I'm doing exactly the same as the other girl - eating healthily and exercising...but because I'm using MJ to stop my mind wandering...I'm lazy and don't deserve the success?

This is something that prickles me a bit tbh - it IS harder to eat healthily when you aren’t using weigh loss injections, if it wasn’t then people wouldn’t need them. We should be able to acknowledge that.
I don’t think it’s doing anyone an injustice to point that out.
to feel comfortable in my own body I need to lose 6-9lb.
i’m reasonably active, but I cannot for the life of me stop the food noise at the moment. If I was able to access a WLI, I’d be able to shed it very easily.

I think just lean into it. If someone is going to be a dick, be a bigger one. Lie and claim you've made no effort at all, you could've lost weight the normal way but couldn't be arsed. If someone makes the choice to flap their mouth, they can be made to regret it easily enough.

I’m currently attended a NHS pre diabetic clinic/course. They weigh us all every fortnight. At the end of the second session I went over to the lady leading the course and confessed that I was using MJ as well. I said that I didn’t want to feel like a cheat. The lady, who is a dietician, said they are absolutely not cheating, they’re helping you massively reduce your chances of diabetes. As I walked away she shouted after me “do not feel like it’s cheating”. I am eating incredibly healthily and have upped my exercise. I don’t have any appetite suppression from the drugs, I can still eat large portions and still feel hunger. But I do think it reinforces my willpower. I hope that it will make coming off them easier.

20 years ago I was hypnotised to stop smoking. I did most of the work on that myself too, but again it was nice to have a little backup. I’ve not smoked since.

The thing is that losing 6-9lbs is actually a piece of piss. I cannot tell you how many times I have done just that. And sometimes in just a couple of weeks too.

6-9 excess pounds also aren’t causing you any health issues.

Now 6-9 STONE is a completely different ball game!

MJ (and I won’t call it a WLI as it is a treatment for a medical condition not a vanity jab!) does make eating more healthily easier for most of us and easier to keep it up for the length of time it takes to shift that huge amount of extra weight we have been carrying.

It’s not a piece of piss when the food noise is so loud to me.
i know exactly what i need to do, I’ve done it before. And I am there with exercise. But my diet is horrendous and I cannot get myself in the space to sort it out.
and can we not pretend that WLI are only used to get you to a place where your weight is no longer a health concern? Plenty of people are using it past the point of that.
wild that you seem to think it’s acceptable to dismiss my weight loss goal as that though.
can’t see that going down well if I said it to someone larger than me.

I can acknowledge that, that's why I use the injections. Despite having lost 7 stone naturally a few years ago, I am totally unable to return to that without the help of WLI. What 'prickles' me, is the assertion that I've sat on my backside gorging crisps for 10 weeks and the weight has melted off. I'm cooking healthy meals and exercising in the same way my friend has. The actions are the same. She has the willpower to stick to it, I need help.

I've never known a division like it, when someone gives up drugs/alcohol/smoking, we congratulate them. We don't say "well did you do it by yourself or did you use nicotine patches/methadone/naltrexone".

Needing to lose 6-9lbs isn't in any way comparable to needing to lose 10+ stone. If your food noise was as out of control as someone in my situation, you'd be a lot more than 6lbs overweight.

Didn’t say anywhere that you were sat on your arse eating crap, my only point was that it’s easier when the need for will power is taken away. I also didn’t compare the amount either of us need/want to lose - my whole point was how much easier and achievable it would be for me right now if my food noise was stopped, and I wasn’t relying solely on willpower that I don’t currently have.
I wouldn’t dream of telling my friend that’s using it that they haven’t done it by themselves - I’ve been nothing but supportive to them. But if they tried to play down the role that it’s played in their weight loss when I know that it’s the only thing they’ve changed in their lifestyle I’d wonder why they were lying to themselves.

Interesting thread. I have no skin in the game as I don't gain weight easily and have never dieted.
As far as I'm aware this drug doesn't of itself make people lose weight, it makes them eat less?
I wonder if some of the resentment from slim people is because we were always told that overweight people had tried every diet and no matter how little they ate it didn't work. There was never an acknowledgement that actually, they just ate too much of the wrong food.
If someone had said a few years ago that no-one would be fat in the future because of a "slimming drug" you wouldn't have believed it.
It's unfortunate that it's so expensive so the UK will be divided into those who can afford to be thin and those who can't.

@aperolspritzbasicbitch don’t you think the food noise wasn’t DEAFENING to me too every day of my life since puberty? Do you think I haven’t had to fight for every single pound of the weight I have lost over the years?

I know the feeling of not being in the right headspace to sort my diet out. That was the periods of weight GAIN between those of weight LOSS.

I do not ‘dismiss your weight goal’ as anything. YOU said it was to feel comfortable in your body and I merely responded to that. You are comparing losing 6-9lbs with the need to lose 6-9 stone or more. Can you not see that they are two completely different things?

And I agree, some people are using MJ or alternatives for vanity reasons rather than health ones. Sadly, I don’t see a way to stop that and to stop society’s perception of anyone (and I really mean women because we have generally been the ones being fucked over by it!) slightly larger than the image of ‘perfection’ bandied about by advertising and social media and I hope they aren’t disappointed to find that the grass isn’t necessarily greener and that existing in a smaller body does not solve life’s problems.

For me, having lost 8 1/2 stone, I can tell you I am STILL not comfortable in my own body (I don’t even recognise myself half the time!) but I am a damn sight healthier than I was this time last year.

@IReallyNeedThisToWorkI can’t actually see where I compared any amount of weight to lose, I simply shared my own personal goal.
i don’t think you are getting my only point - losing
weight with an WLI is obviously easier than without. That’s all. People saying that it’s the same as someone losing weight down to sheer willpower are wrong.
I’m not saying there’s any shame in that, because there absolutely isn’t and if I could get my hands on a way to override my own lack of willpower I absolutely would!

I didn't say you did. I said that's the assertion from my friend who said "oh yeah you've worked really hard haven't you", while rolling her eyes.

I haven't downplayed anything. I've repeatedly said it's revolutionised my life, I'll happily take it forever etc etc. But it isn't the only thing people are changing in their lifestyle. If it was, they wouldn't be losing weight. And that's the exact issue, people think you can just inject and go about life as you were and 'become' skinny. And that's so far from the truth and what's causing the sneering at WLI

@Mumble12but there are people who haven’t changed anything else about their lifestyle - why can’t this be acknowledged?
my friend cancelled her gym subscription to pay for her WLI.
she isn’t doing any exercise now, the only thing she’s doing differently is eating less. Which is thanks to the WLI.
and I say good for her, I’m jealous.
not everyone that uses them has down a massive overhaul of their lives. That’s where the declarations that they aren’t a magic wand come across as dis ingenuous.

As someone who really isn't easily shamed about my MJ use, I think it's worth critically examining why we seem to devote so much space to discussing effort, magic bullets etc.

But exercise doesn’t make you lose weight, it’s a calorie deficit that makes you lose weight and if she’s eating less, she’s clearly in a calorie deficit hence the weight loss.

I will all depend on the individual and what made them fat in the first place. If you got fat because your portion control was off, then you are not going to need to do a massive overhaul, you just need to cut back and you will lose weight. For most people WLI dampens down their appetite and so cutting back becomes much easier.

If you are pre-diabetic or diabetic then your insulin / glucagon and other blood sugar regulating hormones are all out of whack and the WLI will help to regulate those and again, you may not need to make radical changes to your lifestyle to lose weight.

Most people don't become obese because they are insanely unhealthy and eating takeaways every minute of the day. In many (maybe even most cases) it is a long slow incremental creep up there. I think that there is a collective notion that people are fat because they are eating McDs and Dominos for breakfast, lunch and dinner. That simply isn't true for most people.

So for some people WLI is literally like waving a magic want that just gives them that bit of appetite control so they can cut back the calories and lose weight. For others they need to build up the doses gradually, make radical changes to their diet and stop eating really unhealthy food, recalibrate their blood sugar regulation etc and possibly stay on WLI for a long time. Other people need to address emotional issues for why they got fat. Every person taking WLI will have their own unique experience. Not right, not wrong, just theirs.

To me it is surprising that people would be negative about WLI but then it is simply in some people's nature to be dismissive about things that they don't understand properly or don't like. Their minds are closed or narrow on some matters. But that's on them, as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly.
no additional movement needed to burn any additional calories, no massive lifestyle overhaul…just simply eating less which is all down to the WLI.
that’s my point.