Why are so many people anti WLI

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I just don’t understand it!

Mounjaro has literally changed my life overnight. It’s dealt with things that I didn’t even know were fixable. Why are so many people (presumably those that haven’t tried them and really have no intention to) so dead against it.

Do people misunderstand how it works? So many people perceive it as cheating…but I can’t fathom the logic - even if it was cheating…so what?! Why do they want people to be miserable and struggle with obesity?

It is easier to eat less on MJ - that is it's purpose for me. Many of us exercise more to counter the know negative SE of Mounjaro of muscle loss. Many of us improve our diets to include more protein and veg.
The point that is easier to lose is EXACTLY why many of us take MJ. No-one is denying this aperolspritz.
I would be horrified if my 20lb weight loss was 10lb muscle, 10lb fat though. Like the OP i am not lounging around waiting for fat to melt away.

There is just no need for this begrudging comment. 'You've worked really hard, haven't you.' The OP had lost weight. I think it's a situation of 'say nothing if you haven't something nice/useful to say'.

I used to eat healthily prior to WLI but I now think I ate too much healthy food. Now I eat less thanks to WLI and hardly ever feel hungry. Whatever anyone says, it IS effortless. I always tell people I have taken WLI when they comment on my weight loss.

However we all have different physiology eg different insulin sensitivities and hormonal responses. So I no longer feel it is cheating. But i would never claim to have worked as hard as somwome who has lost weight without WLI

I can’t eat more than 1200 calories if I want to lose weight. I’m not incredibly short - 5’5”. I’m only on 5mg and losing very slowly. I’ve increased from no exercise to about 3-4 hours per week Pilates and strength training. I still get urges to eat the takeaway my family are having, or have a packet of crisps. I have insulin resistance.

I think I am probably working as hard as some people my height who can lose weight by eating 1600 calories a day. The jabs are giving me the ability to eat 400 calories less. If I could eat the entire additional small meal some people can get away with and still lose weight, I wouldn’t need the jabs.

The wli make it easier for an individual to lose weight, but you can’t compare how easy it is for one person against how easy it is for another. My husband lost 2 stone by cutting out snacking after tea. I definitely think that was easier for him than this was for me.

If she's eating less, she's changed her lifestyle. I don't know anyone using Mounjaro who is maintaining their existing lifestyle. It's just not possible to eat the way you need to in order to become obese, while taking Mounjaro.

Exercise plays a minimal role in weight loss, diet is the main factor.

If you 'simply eat less' not on mounjaro, you'll lose weight. That's what a diet is.

yup. Agreed.
much easier to do that on mounjaro though, isn’t it? Or people would have managed it without.
so, it takes much less effort to lose with the help of a WLI.
not sure why you find it so difficult to acknowledge that.

I’ve found being on MJ very easy indeed. No side effects, no issues, never think about food, just living a full and happy life. Spending lots of time outdoors getting stronger. Very excited to be on it forever. I’m doing things I never thought I would do.

I deserve that easiness - from the age of 11 - 33 I had to cope with obesity (sometimes weighing 20st) PCOS, the shame & guilt. The missed opportunities, the loathing. Thinking it was all my fault. Now, I know it isn’t my fault.

I deserve every single bit of that easiness. I’m very happy for myself. Finally free!

I will never understand the resentment. Surely people being happier and healthier benefits everyone.

Some of us didn't actually need a massive lifestyle change though. We just needed something which helps reduce our appetite to be able to eat little enough to actually lose weight.

I’ve found it really easy too. I still have some hunger, I can still eat decent sized healthy meals, and I don’t have any side effects. I’ve definitely had to work at losing this weight, but I’ve found it easier than doing it without MJ. I’m really glad I found it.

I, however, have no desire to stay on it forever, and hope to be able to work at staying at a healthy weight by myself at the end. Even if I put on a little initially, it’s got to be easier to shift six or seven lbs without MJ than six or seven stones!

Re the muscle thing . I have lost 14kg of that 2kg was muscle and that was due to being ill and not active for 2 weeks. It’s already going back on

Tbh I think this is the main reason.

You're supposed to feel morally inferior, guilty and accept whatever judgement comes your way when you're overweight and then be punished by way of being miserable, having to watch every calorie, have food still rule your life in a different way while you lose it. That's your punishment for being too weak to stop it in the first place.

WLI cut that out and people feel that the punishment is being skipped and are not happy about that.

Rather makes a mockery of all the people who hide behind concern for health and the NHS if they take the viewpoint that WLI are cheating, it's not really concern for health or the NHS because the WLI achieve the same result, so poor health attributed to obesity and strain on the NHS has improved, they'd be all for it if that were genuinely the motivation.

It makes more sense if you factor in that thinness has social currency, and thin people benefit from this plus the increasing rarity value.

Lots of them aren't bothered about this, of course. Fair play to them. The complainers on here are the ones who've clocked that their relative advantage over fatter people is being removed. Being thin isn't going to be as rare, people won't be able to tell whether a random thin person in the street is that way because of MJ or being virtuous, and a naturally thin person might even be presumed to be on WLIs. And some of them consider the loss of this relative privilege to be more important than the savings to the NHS.

Gotta love sneering judgement dressed up as faux concern.

I would encourage people who qualify but have concerns to do some proper research and to talk to respected health care professionals. The social media buzz probably can make it seem like a trivial choice, but for most of us it has been a careful and long thought about decision. Look at the risks and benefits as they apply to you and your circumstances with a HCP. For most people, the risks of obesity are greater than the risks of GIP/GLP1s.

OTOH I’m going to assume that most of the “it’s not fair” posters would also take WLI in my circumstances; BMI >28, cholesterol > 7 HbA1c 39. So I really don’t understand why they feel the need to criticise.

This! It’s like the lady at work, today she is stuffing her face with a kebab and ice cream. She doesn’t exercise or eat well but is still losing weight xx

I’ve been on MJ nearly 7 weeks. I have gone from 13 stone 12 to 12 stone 8. There were 2 weeks where I was stuck on 12 stone 12.
I’m (rightly or wrongly) using it as a stepping stone to weight loss long term. I’ve already planned to stop at the end of September as I saved a set amount to put aside for the pens. Now I’m losing weight it’s been easier for me to focus on portion control and healthy eating, which has been a huge part of my MJ journey. Also, once I’m slimmer I will join a gym (cheaper than MJ), I always considered myself too fat (and self conscious to do so before). Again, rightly or wrongly, I think it’s ‘easier’ to keep slim when you are slim, as when fat my mindset was ‘I’m fat anyway, a second Bakewell Tart won’t make any difference’. I’ve got new weekly menus with daily calories all coming in at under 1500 (including all meals and snacks - actually I don’t snack anymore).
But the honest truth is, fat people are often thought of as lazy, I was lazy with my food choices, portion control and exercise so actually it is ‘cheating’ in a way as the drug helps you not think about food, feel fuller and reduces appetite.
But it’s 2025, we don’t have to starve ourselves anymore and I’m pretty sure me paying for these jabs to reduce my obesity can only be a good thing for me and the NHS long term.

But she’s clearly in a deficit hence the weight loss. Being in a calorie deficit doesn’t mean you can’t eat kebabs and ice cream, you are coming across as very judgemental. You can lose weight eating anything, just less of it in a calorie deficit jeeez! Like talking to brick wall with some of you’s ready to criticise anything that has nothing to do with you. It’s not your money or your body.

Your language says it all ‘stuffing her face’

How horrid.

@Rosesanddaffs if someone has a poor diet lacking in nutrients, it is still better for that person to lose weight and not be obese, whilst eating smaller amounts of that poor diet. And you never know, at some point they might have the head space and will to address their diet and their overall health. Clearly it’s not what anyone supplying the WLI would recommend or encourage, but moving out of the obese category on its own is worthwhile from a health benefit point of view, even if nothing else changes.

I still don’t buy this. I physically couldn’t stuff my face with a kebab and ice cream while taking mounjaro. Even if I somehow could, I wouldn’t lose weight doing it because I wouldn’t be in a calorie defecit.

Yes of course it’s easier to do that. I’m not debating that. If it wasn’t helping, there’d be no need for it. I’ve said it more than once. What I’m saying is that you have to make the changes in order to lose weight. If people can do it without mounjaro, then they don’t need it do they, the people that need it are the people that can’t do it without. And that’s nothing to do with laziness.

The bit I can’t seem to get an answer to is why anyone cares if someone’s having help to do it. Why should someone trying to better their health have to go through suffering to do so if they don’t need to? And be ridiculed for it. I keep coming back to the smoking comparison because I have genuinely never seen people spewing vitriol and anyone using nicotine patches, society seems to agree that regardless of the method, it’s great that smokers are quitting to improve their health.

Kebabs seem a particularly odd choice for that anecdote, don't they? Ice cream is light, so I can buy that. I've had ice cream whilst on MJ, albeit not on the first couple of days after injecting. But something so big, greasy and bloaty? I'm sceptical.

Absolutely. Fat or thin I can’t think of anyone I’ve ever worked with who’s ordering kebabs, kfc and burger to their desk every lunchtime 🤦🏻‍♀️

Some of my friends openly say it's cheating but also say they couldnt do it without. The weight has really dropped off so it definitely works.

I think those who are negative may genuinely be scared of side effects (like me) but I think a lot of people see it as a lazy way to lose weight.

Absolutely nothing wrong with losing weight the lazy way, why should losing weight be hard? Life can be hard enough!