Why are so many people anti WLI

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I just don’t understand it!

Mounjaro has literally changed my life overnight. It’s dealt with things that I didn’t even know were fixable. Why are so many people (presumably those that haven’t tried them and really have no intention to) so dead against it.

Do people misunderstand how it works? So many people perceive it as cheating…but I can’t fathom the logic - even if it was cheating…so what?! Why do they want people to be miserable and struggle with obesity?

Because some people DO see WLI as cheating.

Your point of "even if they do see it as cheating so what" COULD be met with "well ive dieted, starved myself, NOT eaten birthday cake in 15 years and sweated my arse off in a gym 4x a week for you to tell me WLI are amazing..."

Personally I don't give a shit, ive been a size 10 and healthy all my life, but I have had conversations where people do talk about almost a tier system now of weight loss,
Always skinny
Fat and lost it with diet and exercise
Fat lost with wli
Fat people.

Personally, I’m jealous!
I know people say that it’s not ‘the easy way’ but I struggle to see how it’s not - if I didn’t crave food and have the food noise that WLI blocks then I’d be in amazing shape.
as it stands, I’m a fine size and weight, a healthy BMI etc but I would ideally be about 8lb smaller.
I am active, so if I was able to adjust my diet I’d get there really quite quickly.

It’s not great for ripping through muscles but I think people see it as cheating and that’s why

Mostly bitterness that they've tried everything else and it's not worked so why should anyone else get the success of the injection? (They seem to forget that most people who are on them have also tried everything else too!)

I wouldn't say I'm against it. But I can think of few things worse than having no appetite.

But then, I'm old and my appetite has shrunk. And I'm not particularly overweight. The thought of wiping my appetite out altogether sounds horrid.

So I think if someone takes a drug to do just that, it makes me sad. But, if someone feels they need to (either for health or other reasons) then I'm sorry that they feel that need.

Are they cheating? They are certainly "cheating" themselves of the pleasure of enjoying food. But in what other sense they can be said to be cheating escapes me.

I’m on MJ at the moment and it’s been the same for me, OP. I’m something like 8 stone down, BMI has gone from 40-odd to 27.

Of course it’s better to do it the natural way and save yourself the money, but it’s a great option for those of us who’ve tried 874 diets in the past and never kept the beef off.

Quite honestly, I see why people think it’s cheating but me and my size 12 jeans could not care less.

I suspect some people think fat people deserve to be punished for being fat, by being restricted to a very low calorie diet. Weight-loss that is too ‘easy’ doesn’t punish the fat person enough.

I am very overweight, and have developed type 2 diabetes, so I need to lose weight, and I am doing it by adjusting my diet, because the doctor has said I can’t have the weight-loss jabs alongside my diabetic medication.

As far as I am concerned, it doesn’t matter how someone loses weight (as long as they aren’t damaging themselves, of course) - I applaud their achievements, however they get them.

I’m not against it - I’ve got no skin in the game as I’m thin and always have been. However, I’m not sure I understand how it works long term unless you are meant to be on them forever? Surely it’s not sustainable as a weight loss technique?

This is what I don’t understand too, do you have to take them for life and what are the risks?

A lady at work is on them but eats all the junk she likes and says it’s fine because the injection will stop her from gaining weight.

I thought the whole point of them was to lose weight and adopt a healthy lifestyle.

The idea is that you use it as a temporary measure. It stops you craving your usual bad diet, and your calorie intake becomes much lower, so you lose weight. It balances your blood sugar so that you don’t feel the urge to gorge on chocolate or something equally as unhealthy.

During the time you’re on it, it’s expected that the person changes their habits to better, healthier, more sustainable ones. Equally, most people tend to become more physically active as it’s easier to move around when you’re 11st and not 27st.

Then, when you near target weight, you gradually reduce your dose, and as your appetite returns to baseline, you’re eating your new foods rather than the old crap. You remain active too, and the weight stays away.

Some people do stay on it forever, though. If they can afford it, and their prescriber is happy to do it.

Your thoughts are correct and the woman at your work will be back to her old weight in no time.

@user1471453601 you don’t need to feel sorry or sad for people like me! Pointless waste of your mental energy. My appetite has reduced to a lower level, it’s not been wiped out. I haven’t lost the pleasure of eating food, sorry to disappoint. I just eat less. I’ve lost nearly 9 stone and I feel amazing, so no need for any sad and sorry thoughts from anyone.

Puritanical hypocrisy

I'm not anti them, but am concerned about long term effects such as muscle loss, or being tied into them for life as the weight often seems comes straight back on when you stop. I think there maybe could have been a few more studies before they were so freely rolled out, especially as even in my own experience a lot of people don't seem to be using them very 'healthily', they just want to lose a few pounds and so grab them without any thought at all for the consequences.

I have been on MJ for 7 months and enjoy food, why do you think people on WLI can’t enjoy food?

it’s transformed my life, literally, but I do still eat and enjoy my meals every day.

I'm not anti them. I wish I could get them at my BMI (26) and feel jealous that someone who started at a high BMI could keep taking them at this point but I can't start. I know there are risks to them but I'm an adult and would like to accept those risks and take the drugs just for a short while.

Presumably this lady will also continue to need the injections for the T2 diabetes she's maybe going to cause herself! How are there still people that think that weight-gain is the only negative impact of eating tonnes of junk food?

I'm against it because a) I believe it treats the symptoms not the causes of obesity, and b) I know someone who has significant bone density issues as a result of one of these types of drug.

@Doitrightnow do you mean against them for yourself, or for everyone else, even people like me who were very morbidly obese? Just because you know of one person who has had an issue with bone density.

After observing and/or participating in number of discussions, the main objections seem to be coming from slim people who have been successful in their weight management efforts, and therefore felt superior to people who have not been successful. They now feel cheated out of their natural pecking order. (Naturally slim people who don't need to put a ton of effort in to stay slim in my personal experience do not seem to care that much)

I don’t get why anyone cares if it is cheating. I’m paying for my son to have a maths tutor so I think he will get a good grade for maths. Surely that is also cheating. It’s extra help to achieve something. It gives you a head start which can only be a good thing.
Im only a bit overweight so probably wouldn’t qualify for them but if I was bigger I definitely would use them. Why not. Just be proud of yourself for your weight loss.

The bingo card covers most of the ‘reasons’.

@user1471453601 I actually think I enjoy food more now. Before, I used to stuff my face and not get much pleasure out of it. Now I can eat a small amount of something yummy and take my time over it. I’m definitely a more mindful eater now.

I am tempted by them, I burn a minimum of 700 calories a day (according to my watch so realise this could be an overestimation) and try not to sit still for too long however cannot shift my weight from 82kg (bmi just under 28).

This last month I’ve been much better with my diet so less chocolate and cut the alcohol right back but I do love big portions (of all food, not traditional junk food- I love big 80s style salads!) and I fear this is what’s causing the problem, because I can’t believe what I’ve cut out isn’t enough to even lose 1kg. It’s depressing and when I see my friend (who’s on the injections) lose a fair amount of weight around her stomach in the past 2 months, despite still eating loads of crap albeit smaller portions it makes me want to join in!

Because we live in a world where the profits of food companies have been put before our health. We all know about ultra processed food by now, and I’m strongly of the opinion that our obesity epidemic is caused by the toxic food environment in which we live. But our policy makers do not have the guts to challenge the powerful food industry and have chosen instead to not only line the pockets of the food industry, but also now the pharmaceutical industry. Medication to try and tackle the effects of industrially produced “food”. And with no real understanding of what the long term effects of weight drugs will be.

A couple of decades down the line, what industry will be putting their profits over our health in order to tackle the consequences of weight loss drugs I wonder.