Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

Think you’re right, some people seem to hate it when their fat friend slims down.

I agree OP, but think it's more accurate to say everyone hates fat women. I have found other fat women are the most critical of wli. I have heard sooooo many saying ppl don't know what they are putting into their bodies, the injections haven't been tested enough, blah blah.
I have been over weight probably on and off my whole life, have successfully done WW, Slimming World, running,gym BUT have struggled keep the weight off, sometimes due to pregnancy (4) but other times not having the circumstances to maintain the weight loss.
The injections are not magic but an effective tool that help IMO.

I started at 21 stone 9. I was desperate- absolutely desperate for help. I tried every diet going, I’ve basically been starving myself for 30 years. Imagine what that is like. I went to my doctors so many times and they didn’t help, I just couldn’t lose it. I’ve lost 5 stone since October and I'm now running 3 times a week and I feel so much better. I don’t have nightmares about having a heart attack or stroke anymore, and frankly anyone who judges me for taking the ‘easy’ route can fuck off. I’ve been on the hard route all my life, and I’m damn sure my child and partner won’t care why I have the chance to live longer or if I suffered sufficiently in order to do so.
and it’s not bloody easy - the nausea is pretty shit at times.

Yes, worth pointing out that there are fat people who buy into this nonsense and thin people who don't.

Are you not losing muscle mass? I read about a bunch of side effects and the fact it's bad for your long term health. Have you looked into all that ? There are some stories out there. It's unnatural to inject to lose weight though isn't it ?

A huge amount of people struggle with their weight, not just overweight people. It can be a constant daily battle for many and one thing that keeps people going is the feeling of superiority over fat people.

And it enables you the head space to recognise what a good diet looks like anyway. You learn what an appropriate portion is because that is all you need. It eliminates craving shit and you actually want to eat decent food. It slows down gastric emptying and actually I had horrendous IBS which has been completely eliminated.

I was reasonably slim in my younger years, until 2019, when I started taking a medication for a health issue. I needed the medication but I piled on the pounds (as do most people on it). My best friend since high school has always had weight issues, and I’d witnessed how she was treated appallingly over the years. You do get treated differently when you’re fat, even by people who would say they’re not judging you. There’s a million subtle little things people do that let you know you’re less than 🤷‍♀️

Let them cry about it. We are gonna find the cure for obesity, cancers, hair loss, cavity formation, perimenopause, acne, maybe even old age. This is always a positive, who cares whether you ‘worked hard’ or not just some moralistic bullshit tbh

They seem to really, really want these injections to hurt people, maybe subconsciously as a sort of punishment for being fat. Fuck em.

Indeed
It’s like being fat NEEDS to be punished and fat people DESERVE to suffer diets and exercise in the same way a drug addict should suffer the hell of withdrawal and shame of recovery

it’s so biblical , I have sinned and been glutinous therefore only though pain and suffering do I deserve a nice body

id love to know the long term result of all of us fatties paying for our own treatment and saving the nhs ££££ long term with not needing diabetes, cancer, stroke snd knee replacement in later life ??? The wli fatsos are saving the nhs ! You’re welcome !

Yes, some people do say that depressed people should just get over it and many people are against antidepressants.

@mamabeeboo thanks for starting this thread and I’m pleased you’re getting results with the WLI.

it’s been really interesting to read the comments as I was talking about this just yesterday. I don’t know of anyone taking WLI (although I suspect a couple of family members are). I’ve had to question myself as to why I felt a little uneasy about this - after all I’m perfectly supportive of other things to support lifestyle changes eg nicotine replacements.

i think what was grating on me is my own situation. I’m not overweight, although BMI is at the top of normal. Menopause has left me half a stone heavier that I was before and I just cannot shift it. I’m hardly going to to take WLI for half a stone (or should I?) but I’m left just feeling stuck and hating the fact that I look crap in my clothes.

So what do I do? If WLI suppress the appetite, then it means that weight loss comes from eating less, which brings into doubt all the fads (intermediate fasting, low carb etc). Even when I eat less and move more I can’t get my weight down and I suppose I’m annoyed that I can’t shift such a small amount of weight when others are having a jab and shedding stones.

@mamabeeboo some of the people you spoke to yesterday may be in the same boat as me.

Are you talking about a different thread? I haven't seen OP come at anyone with any part of herself flailing. Interesting choice of image, though. 🤔

It’s unnatural to kill cancer cells with chemotherapy.
It’s unnatural to open up hardened arteries with stents or balloons.
It’s unnatural to take paracetamol for a headache.

I totally get what you are saying and my rational brain applauds you. Part of me is a bit miffed though. I can explain so maybe it will give you an insight?

I’m a small size 8. People are always telling me how ‘tiny’ I am, and I think assume that I’m not that interested in food. I freaking love food. I get constant food noise and every day is a battle of wills between me and the fridge. The will power it takes not to stuff my face is enormous. But I don’t give in. I go to bed hungry most nights and I wake up with an inner monologue about what I can and can’t eat. Sounds familiar, right? So now the only difference between us is that because you are bigger than me, you are getting a lot of relief from that whereas for me it’s still a constant battle. So yeah if I let it, it annoys me a bit. But also I get how awful it must be to be big (it’s why I don’t give in to the food noise) so I do get it.

This thread makes me want to give up and opt out of humanity. Of course there are bigger, worse things happening in the world- I know this. We know this.

But as a fat person, it's depressing and boring to receive non stop judgement. 'You're too fat- you need to eat less/ move more - you're lazy- you're clearly not making an effort- have you tried xxx?' It feels non stop because it is non stop.

Then someone throws us a bone- WLI tools that can make the nightmare of trying to lose weight a bit more bearable and possible. And that's wrong too.

We can't do anything right. We're fat- that's bad. We're not losing weight- that's very bad. We're costing the NHS money (never mind that lots of us fatties work for the damn NHS)- that's VERY bad. We have chronic health conditions and very real medical reasons why we became fat- that's still bad. Or we don't have chronic health problems that are deemed an acceptable excuse to have gained weight- that's unforgivable.

We're mocked. We're made fun of. It's now easier than ever to buy clothes because of online shopping and greater availability but we still struggle to shop on the high street. We are seen as lazy and lacking moral fibre.

And then IF we use weight loss meds- that's lazy. Cheating. Dangerous. Once again lacking in moral fibre.

I'm sick of it. I'm fat. I'm sick of being fat. But I'm way, way more sick of the judgement. It's not in our heads. It's real and it is NOT HELPING. Weirdly, the WLI's seem to help some people. Do those of who you who think we deserve to stay fat think that's wrong? Yes, clearly.

I've written enough. Doubt it will make a dent in any of the fat-haters armour of moral superiority, but it might make some of the fat people feel a bit 'seen and heard'.

I think there are a lot if people who are in the healthy bmi range who also struggle hugely with staying in it but have to do so without injections…so have no choice but to eat less and move more.

I dont think theres any problem with using any legal means to lose weight and be healthy, whichever way you can do it, but I’ll be honest and admit that I can understand that for people who have to fight weight gain and can’t use them it seems a bit unfair not to have the extra ‘help’ that appetite suppressing drugs give.

Maybe its this that youre coming up against?

I don't think everyone just hates fat people. Those comments do sound a bit shit but I would have valid concerns about using injections. Amphetamine started off as a weight loss medication and look how that turned out. Not that I'd judge anyone else for trying, if it works for someone then great and I'd be really happy for them. I'd just be wary of doing it myself. I also wouldn't have any filler or botox but some of my friends do and I think they look amazing and tell them so.

Where did you read that it’s bad for long term health? That’s simply not true.

Some people experience side effects, some don’t. I have not had one. Same for the 5 women I know taking Mounjaro.

And anyone that loses weight on ANY diet risks losing muscle mass. This is why many people on diets weight train.

To answer the muscle mass question. I use a Boditrax machine to monitor this. I lost 2kg last month .2 of that was muscle. I eat protein and workout and run. I think that is a normal amount of muscle mass to lose while in a calorie deficit.

Absolutely this. I’m a size 8 too but have a pot belly due to menopause and I hate it and still dont wear certain clothes because of it, I have to literally watch eveything I eat not to shoot up several sizes. I’m scared of the health implications too of being older and overweight.

Do you even know how weight loss jabs work?

For years I have gone to the gym 4 times a week (really full on circuit/weight training classes), do 10-15k steps every day…….. but I was still overweight because my brain constantly craved food and I just couldn’t not eat, like a constant addiction I couldn’t fight.

A year on Mounjaro just switched off that constant “food noise”. I went from a size 16 to a size 8. I still went to the gym 4 times a week, I still did 10-15k steps per day, I had to daily monitor my calories/protein/fat/carb intake. I fail to see how there was any “cheating” going on……. apart from my brain was able to have the willpower to not overeat, which seems to come more naturally for you.

I fail to see how I cheated, when I worked bloody hard for a year to lose 4 stone. I didn’t just have an injection and the fat magically melted away. I just used medication prescribed by a Dr to allow me to have what you have naturally.

Yes I agree with the above.
WLI are not the long term solution. Unless you have absolutely no other options available to you, are obese (not just overweight) and at imminent high risk to health I don’t agree with WLI.
Not because I ‘hate fat people’ or ‘want fat people to suffer’ or ‘some sort of insecurity about people getting slimmer’ or any of those reasons.
Just because I strongly believe that taking WLI forever is not an ideal main stream solution to a problem that actually can be solved by - yes eating less and moving more for the MAJORITY of people. Note- majority, not all.
When you stop taking the jabs, the hunger will return and you will pile weight on and then some. As is true of all fad diets. WLI is just another fad diet. And no, I don’t think people should be injecting themselves for life because they need to lose weight.
Changing your diet forever and building movement into daily routine is the only thing, The only thing that will work long term with no other side effects from additional medication.
Yes you may have changed your diet whilst on the WLI, but unless you can absolutely stick to that diet for pretty much ever once you come off, the weight will return

And this is the other thing. How do you know what many slim people have naturally? Do you not think slim people have constant food noise?

What bollocks. Food addiction is an eating disorder and plenty of people find great relief by using WLI. Not just from losing but stopping food noise and reducing symptoms of other health problems.

It doesn't even sound like she's saying she hates fat people, more that she actually resents you not wanting to be fat anymore. And succeeding.
She may have felt she's deprived herself a lot in life and is a bit jealous of WLI users, assuming it's an easier option.

Just ignore her and don't speak about it with her again. I would be very supportive of an overweight friend choosing to use it if they felt they needed to.