Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

And I get comments like ‘oh I bet you never eat cake and biscuits’ or ‘you dont look like youve had a full meal at a restaurant in a while’. I eat plenty, but I also have to go without a LOT of the things I love to stay a healthy weight, and do exercise I hate. I have to bite my tongue not to tell people to FO and mind their own business. Slim shaming is as prevalent as fat shaming.

Couldn't agree more OP. Some people are massively threatened by others losing weight. They can be so shallow that it doesn't matter if you have a better job or loving partner or successful children because you're FAT!! And don't you forget it. If you lose weight they have to accept that their one superior trait isn't that special any more. They only thing I'd experienced that was similar was when I stopped drinking alcohol. To be fair I'd always been a one glass of wine kinda girl but I swear they took my giving up completely as a personal insult. It made me appreciate the real friends who say I look great and are happy to have a cocktail while I have a diet coke all the more.

yes, we know all that and its up to individuals to choose how long they remain on it. for majority of us who are self funding, just what business of others is it how long we choose to use it for?

Frim what slim people have told me, no they don’t.

I have to admit I was very judgemental of my Dsis who has always been overweight and has now lost 2 stone on WLI. But that's because she's continuing to eat absolute shit and isn't making any changes to her diet or exercising at all. She even said slimming world is a load of bullshit and that I shouldn't do it (I also want to lose weight but only a couple of stone) because their system tells you that eating 2 pears is more calories than a creme egg yet the creme egg is more syns. So apparently she's better off eating creme eggs. I get she is probably an anomaly though! by these standards probably the WLI are her best chance of losing weight 😂 and to be fair, she has lost it and will be much healthier for it. But I do think she'll put it all back on if she isn't making the changes in addition. Which then makes me wonder if they are just a waste of money for some people.
Do the WLI come with a diet and exercise plan / education in addition? If so then great!

I actually wish I could use them in addition to my diet and exercise because I'd love to have a helping hand, but I don't qualify. I guess as a PP said, you wouldn't judge someone trying to quit smoking using nicotine patches - this isn't any different if it's being used as an adjunct rather than a method.

This has nothing to do with overall worth as a human 🤣.

I am happy with myself, sorry if my confidence offends you or makes you feel inferior. Odd way to interpret my post.

I was responding to OP regarding levelling the playing field since they want to compare health methods.

This is a debate on WLI and perceptions, not on how pleasant a human I come across.

It’s not really anyone’s business I guess unless it’s a close family member or friend that you are worried about / worried about the longer health implications of injecting this.
But this OP has asked why people might think negatively about the jab. This is one of those reasons.

We’re not idiots 🤦🏼‍♀️ Of course we know that we have to continue the eating/exercise plan for life after coming off medication.

I lost 4 stone on Mounjaro. I’ve been off the injections for 9 months now, guess what I’m still at my target weight. It will be a daily battle for the rest of my life to fight the constant addiction I have to eating, my brain tells me that I need to eat 24/7, like a drug addict feels they need their hit.

But bloody hell that year of Mounjaro where the addiction was just switched off in my brain was amazing. It gave me an insight into what life is like for people who don’t have that constant craving and 24/7 rumbling hungry tummy. If I had felt like that naturally my whole life I could probably be one of those people saying “just eat less and move more!” Not understanding that an addict can’t just say “oh ok silly me, I never tried that”

Imagine telling a heroin addict “have you ever thought about just not taking heroin? It’s easy, I don’t take it. Just be more like me.”

This was exactly what I was getting at in my post too. It’s a helpful insight - we don’t hate fat people and begrudge them the WLI, we just wish that there was a similarly effective way of calming the food noise for the rest of us.

Yes, I think it's exactly this.
It's a bit like how some people resent people on benefits and it's often people who are just over the threshold to get any help.
Also, once every large person has taken Ozempic, that size 12-14 person will be the biggest around.

Interested reading this.

I've always been fairly slim (although less so in perimenopause), and I genuinely just feel pleased (and interested in what the drugs feel like!) when people use WLI to feel fitter/better/happier.

If it occurs to me to have an "issue" with the drugs it's certainly not people who use them - it's with them giving licence to Big Food to keep screwing us over like they do. There's something un-pleasing about our modern world making us overweight for profit, and therefore needing drugs - which ultimately profit similar people. But at the level of individuals - just happy it works.

I'm dieting and have lost nearly 4 stone since October and have about another 3 stone to go. A friend has lost a similar amount in less time using Mounjaro. I say good luck to her!! I don't know why people are so snotty about WLI. It's just another tool to tackle obesity.

Totally agree- I've always thought that friends love you for what you are, but there is definitely a shift in dynamics when the fat friend dares to become thin...

I tell everyone. I've not had any serious pushback, apart from a friend of mine who has also battled constantly with his weight and is just very frightened that they'll make me ill. To him I just say that these are well-tested drugs that have been around a while, and if I don't use them I'll end up with Type 2 and be put on them anyway.

I have however rehearsed, several times, saying to anyone who does really push back, "To me this is a medical issue, not a moral issue, and as there's a medication I can take that makes weight loss easier I'm going to take it."

Ok well that’s great that you are still at your target weight 9 months later. So that is to be applauded. Hopefully you have managed to overhaul your diet and will stick to that.
I do get confused about the food noise. Firstly - most people get food noise. Whether slim or fat. I’m neither slim nor fat but I have constant food noise if I go through a period of eating more or the wrong things over a few days / weeks.
What I find really hard to understand is do people not realise how to turn the food noise off naturally? How seriously have people tried? What have they tried and for how long?

I’ve always been in the normal BMI range and to be honest I’m getting a bit sick of these threads which insist that slim women all look down on fat people and feel morally superior.

The people you spoke to were rude but that doesn’t mean all slim people are rude. I wouldn’t dream of saying anything like that.

Saying that all slim people enjoy having fat friends so they can judge them and feel better about themselves is as bad as saying all fat people are greedy and lazy. They’re both generalisations and they’re both unfair.

Exactly! The food noise is constant, and gets me down as much as any other person I know who is worried about weight, no matter what size.

I say we should ALL be supporting each other. I dont know a woman on earth who has ever not been weight conscious and worried about it and down about it on some level.

OP congrats on your weight loss, its great.

This thread has reminded me - I used to have bad acne, and looked a state without make-up and quite "pretty" with it. I had a couple of friends over the years (very insecure) who would relentless slag off make-up-wearers in front of me, saying it was "cheating" and so on. I suppose this is just like that, isn't it?

I was lucky enough to get Wegovy prescribed on the NHS, started in February and have lost 12kg so far. I've always had the opinion that I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks, therefore I haven't told anyone I know.

It's people that have never had an addiction that preach. Those that have tend to understand. The addiction to food/sugar is strong. You need to believe that you are an amazing person for doing this..for you!

Hopefully after 2 years on injections you can retrain your body into eating what you need and not what you crave. I'm hoping it will work this way anyway ☺️

No it didn’t. Amphetamine was first used medicinally in 1929 as a decongestant and bronchodilator to use instead of ephedrine. It then was found to be effective for depression. The US army gave it to soldiers to combat tiredness during the Second World War. It wasn’t approved as a weight loss drug until 1946. Unlike GLP1, it had significant hallucinogenic and mind altering effects, which is why it was widely abused.

GLP1 medications have been around for a very long time. The research was going on since the early 1900. The first testing on diabetic patients was in 1992. It cannot be understated how much of a medical milestone this is.

It is a naturally occurring hormone, not a toxin so the long term affects are less problematic.

The only issues of abuse of this drug comes from people who are not obese, using it as weight management. If the NHS would pull its finger out and make it prescription only, it wouldn’t be necessary for so many private companies to offer it to the general public. The saving to the NHS in treating diabetes, heart disease, stroke etc is massive.

Its fine if someone doesn’t want to use it, but to reject it on the basis of “look what happened with amphetamines” shows a deep misunderstanding of what GLP1 drugs are.

There will always be dickheads. I’m very happy for friends who have lost weight using the injections. Good for you. Go girl, etc

The real reason people think that you should lose weight naturally is because lots of people are actually repulsed by obese bodies and think that fat people became that way through over indulgence and lack of self discipline. Being repulsed is a natural reaction and one of nature's ways of keeping us from becoming dangerously overweight. Obviously, the mechanism is defective in some people though.

Good for you. You don't owe anyone that private information, but I think it's brave to think of the feelings of the other overweight people at the table and tell the truth when you know others are going to be unfairly judgemental about it.

Sure! As long as you’re happy with people who would prefer to live on benefits for trivial reasons rather than earn their money? Not their fault you’ve got a higher work ethic.