Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

I am more and more glad that the only person who knows I am taking Mounjaro is my DP, and that I haven't had any in depth conversations with anyone about it.

All those comments from the people you were talking to are a summary of all of the weirdness that's baked into our society about weight, morals, values and worth. It is well and truly messed up.

When someone said the equivalent of ‘eat less and move more’ I said ‘Thank you, that’s brilliant advice’. They didn’t know what to make of that!

Your thread popped into active and I read it wondering what the context was, I don't know much about wli but a friend told she was on it I replied "oh great..." none of my business
But this is an anon forum

So my question is what does the wli do differently? Maybe (like me so im seeking education) they don't understand...what does wli offer that diet and exercise don't?

Quitens the food noise, even I know that and I'm not on them! Faux naivety I'm thinking here...

I slightly disagree only because I don’t agree it’s everyone. I’ve lost 4 stone and am now a healthy weight. I only told my friends recently after another friend declared that she had started taking the WLI and I felt like a shit not telling them. They’re all incredibly supportive generally so I wouldn’t have expected anything else. The wider community I can’t vouch for though… I sense a lot of slim women are accustomed to having fat friends around and feel undermined in some way.

I'm yet to hear why losing weight needs to be done the harder way from anyone suggesting it should be. No-one suggests that nicorette or methadone use is 'cheating' or taking the lazy option, or that wearing glasses is taking the the easy route when you could just walk into things. There is something very specific about weight loss though that a lot of people think it should be hard, that we need to earn our thin status.

@TeaCalm74 WLI enable you to diet effectively by stopping the constant urge to eat and the ability to overeat.

I think that a lot of the time, they like you being the fat friend. It’s as simple as that.

I don’t tell anyone. I’ve had 3 separate conversations about how bad they must be. I just say “oh really”

Just say you’ve come off them and you’ve followed their advice so you don’t have to listen to it anymore.

I completely agree and have experienced this.

Would they say the same to someone on antidepressants? Oh cheer up , have you tried being happy? Fuck them

It’s weird how we praise medical innovation in just about anything else, but are down on medications which are largely taken by women, isn’t it.

Yes, yes they do!

I'm on 12.5
It definitely doesn't stop me overeating..I could still massively stuff my face
I need a huge amount of willpower to get through the day
I am hungry all day and all night .
The only thing it has done for me ,is stop me craving carbs ,like crisps.
And I'm paying a lot of money for the privilege of having the injections

They definitely helped me get in the right frame of mind to start loosing weight,and the thought I had something on my side ,seemed to spur me on.
But everything I've read in the media ,about them taking the effort out of dieting, simply hasn't been true for me .
To be fair ,I started at a very high weight ,and I've massively over ate my whole life ,so maybe I'm just a difficult case .
I have lost 6 stone on them ,but I have another 6 stone to loose before I reach a normal BMI.
Bizarrely some people have made a huge fuss of my weight loss and been pleased for me
And some have completely ignored it and said nothing
I gave gone from a Suze 32/34 to a very loose fitting 22/24...so still quite a way to go .

It's not that they offer something that dieting doesn't, what they offer is a tool to make the diet process easier.
They work on blood sugar levels, they slow down the digestive system, they reduce your appetite. So you still need to do the work by reducing your calorie intake but it makes that easier because your blood sugar levels aren't yo-yoing all over the place and you aren't feeling overwhelming hunger.
I've lost nearly 4 stone with mounjaro's help but it's also also reduced my blood glucose readings out of the pre diabetic range and my IBS symptoms are virtually gone. Other people have found ADHD symptoms improve and that they no longer crave alcohol.
Most people also find that the 'food noise' in their heads disappears, which is another huge factor in helping the diet process - much easier when your brain isn't screaming at you all day that in 4 days you can have your cheat day and finally eat some cake.

Actually I think I just rambled on nit answering ops questions,sorry .
I've not told anyone I'm on them .
DH knows and a few good friends I knew wouldn't judge
But no one else
I can't be doing with 101 opinions

If only the old advice of eat less and move more was the answer. It clearly isn’t.
If fat people take charge of their health and lose weight using wli; well - good for them.
I imagine it’s pretty miserable being stones overweight and it’s definitely not healthy.
Somehow all fat people seemed to be deemed greedy and lazy and that cannot be true of them all. The food noise is likely the biggest issue and I’m interested why this has become such a big problem. I suspect upf have interfered with our natural feeling of fullness and I don’t see why people should be blamed for the food industry putting profit over nutrition.

That makes absolute sense in regards to the nicotine/nicorette etc having been a smoker I 100%get the fact that gum/lozenger took that pang away

You do you at the end of the day it's noones business how you do it, and if your getting fitter and healthier that's always great

I did have some gid ideas for people being negative about the jabs and saying it must be done the proper way
So when someone says it's cheating ,I'd say ..
Oh I assume you don't have a washing machine then , because really that's cheating ,you should wash your clothes by hand ,do it the proper way ,no cheating with a washing machine..(or dishwasher)

I have recently started them too and the only people that know are my partner, my sister and a close friend who also takes them.
Ive always found that there’s some sort of moral high ground people feel when they are “thinner” then others, that there’s something inherently bad about those of us that struggle with our weight. Almost feels likened to a class system, if that makes sense.
These injections have made me realise that yes I was eating too much, but now I’m eating the right amount of food now without feeling like I am depriving or starving myself.

But I don't want it to be a secret. Why should it? There were also other overweight people at the table, and I didn't want to be another reason they feel like crap because I "suddenly woke up and had discipline". So I'll be honest and say I'm getting help. It's not a miracle drug, I still have to eat less and I exercise whenever I can (currently 2 days a week), but this was responded to with a "oh really, that's nice smile" as you would a toddler.

Again, now I've lost some weight, I'm treated a bit better than before - society hates fat people. They see obesity as a punishment for 'laziness and greed'. And being slim is your gold medal for the discipline, salads and willpower you have.

How dare the playing field be levelled, so you can't think of yourself as 'holier than thou' anymore.

These drugs are helping people.

“You just want us to pay for being fat” is exactly it. My best friend uses WLI and is doing amazing! Some of her other pals have been less than supportive. How dare she take the “easy” way out. It seems to bring a really awful side out of some people.

It sounds like they're threatened because you having £150 a month disposable income is going to erode the social value of their thinness.

As it was a birthday, I wouldn't have said anything, but otherwise just go out on the attack. Ask them why they think that would work when we know it fails on a societal level, and make a faux concerned tilty head face asking them if they've made a plan for what they'll do when the social currency attached to being thin is weakened.

This is why I haven't told anyone apart from the people I live with.
Some people see it as cheating and the easy way out.
That we should suck it up and do it the hard way and that if we don't it makes us less of a person as we don't have the discipline.
Also to echo what others have said they don't like you not being the fat friend.
As most things are appearance based losing a significant amount of weight levels the playing field & upsets the friendship dynamic.
Us fatties finally losing the weight and hopefully keeping it off is a threat.

For many people who have been fortunate enough to never have had a problem with their weight, someone being overweight is seen as the worst personal failure possible. It is all self-inflicted, in their minds, so the overweight person should not have any help to lose weight. It should be as hard and painful as possible. Many members of the medical profession are equally guilty of this. The usual excuse is that obesity is causing the dear old NHS into crisis mode with the amount of money that is spent on it. How about all those who suffer from sports injuries, especially from extreme sports? Are their injuries not equally self- inflicted and costly for the NHS. Why are overweight people seen to be less deserving than smokers, alcoholics or drug abusers? If it were all about eating less and moving more there should never be another overweight person once they have seen the errors of their ways. However, we all know that life is not as simple as this and there are a myriad of reasons for people being overweight or obese - some of them medical, some because of medications and some because they are indeed consuming too many calories. We also know that many people have psychological problems that mean they eat for comfort. The only other group of people who are looked down on by some for having medical intervention are women in childbirth. I have known of a couple of people who have had weight loss surgery. It is certainly not an easy way to lose weight but a tool to help in the same way that weight loss injections are. Good luck @mamabeeboo.