Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

I don't hate anyone, makes no difference to me how much someone weighs but, I did get annoyed at a lady who was a cousin of friend who sometimes tagged along in our informal dog walking group as she didn't have much of a social circle. She could hardly walk 10 steps without needing to stop for a rest and complained the whole time ruining the whole thing. The whole point of us meeting up was to have a power walk followed by a coffee at a local cafe. After several meet ups were ruined by her my friends and I suggested next time she just meet us at the cafe after our walk. That went down like a lead balloon, we were being 'fattist' and 'discriminatory' apparently. In the end, I stopped going and a couple of us started our own mini Saturday walking group instead.

False.

Yes.

Of course.

On the subject of death by WLI:

I've just googled and the most info I can find is that 82 people have died in the UK that were using a WLI. They can't say that the WLI had anything to do with those deaths, just that they were taking them and then died.

I've only seen one case where a woman died directly attributed to the injection she took, and she had bought it from someone in a car park, and one where it it's a bit more ambiguous but assuming she got it through GP (or whatever) routes she died after two weeks, but it can't be directly attributed to it.

For me, that's an acceptable risk, like it was an acceptable risk to take medication that can damage my liver (but fix my gnarly toenails) and to have a baby, which turned out to be a multiple pregnancy, and in which I had pre-eclampsia.

I think we all make risk assessments in life, and for me, the potential risk of death from WLI is less than the risk of death from obesity and/or related issues.

Am I worried I'll put the weight back on? Yes of course. I would be regardless how I lost it. But that's not something I can deal with now.

What criteria do you think the Medicines Regulatory Agency uses? Its job is literally evaluating the risk benefit of drugs to different population groups

I'd be inclined to say oh please fuck off. I tried that for years before finally losing 5 stone on mounjaro. When people talk guff like that these days I just ask them to stop talking, like Doc Marten 😂
Don't people think you've already tried eating less and moving more for years?

Evidence?

Thats so true, you've upset their 'social order' of things by becoming thinner and more confident within yourself.
This will also apply to looks
And in certain circles, colourism.

How is it NOT eat less and move more though? What I don’t really buy is people talking about ‘food noise’ like slimmer people don’t feel hungry. I feel hungry and think about food a lot, I just don’t put it in my mouth every time I think about it!!

People who've never had binge eating disorder cannot comprehend what it's like to have BED. WLIs mean that my experience of hunger and my ability to resist the urge to eat is now what I had before developing BED. It's a temptation that I can resist, not an urge that grabs the inner joystick and drives me like a robot.

Neither do people who are trying to lose weight. What an unpleasant/ignorant post.

Ok, so you're slim AND better than people who use the jabs. Is that not enough for you?

Not ignorant. If you want to use the jabs, go for it! If that’s what gets you to a healthy weight then it’s a good thing. However I do not believe that everyone on them has some
kind of ‘disorder’.

Not better than anyone. It’s simple science calories in vs calories out.

Please don’t engage with a bored provocateur who has resurrected a thread from May in the hope of goading angry responses.

Someone commented on it today! The only reason I did is it came up in active threads……

I’m not discussing WLIs with anyone apart from DH. I don’t need to justify myself to anyone.
My friends noticed I’d lost weight over Xmas - one of them in particular was looking at me very suspiciously. Honestly, no one has mentioned that I’ve been 3stone over weight for the last decade - suddenly they’re concerned?! It’s ridiculous and extremely irritating!

Completely ignorant post.

Why do so many people need to shut off the need to over eat? Why is this happening? Seriously I’m interested to know, is it due to additives and preservatives in the western diet? Or is it down to the lifestyles of the modern world?

As a teenager of the 80’s this issue didn’t really exist, not many people were obese, but many people weren’t as affluent as we are today. We simply couldn’t afford take aways. The most luxurious food we had at home were Findus pancakes, i loved them back then 🥴

Ooh, I used to love a Findus crispy pancake, although I seem to remember them being quite tricky to cook evenly. 😄

Yes, I think a lot of the problem you describe is to do with additives, and UPFs generally, going by various things I've read, and the 'moreish' feeling some of them produce. I'm trying to eat more cleanly myself now for this reason, not that I always succeed.

I also personally feel some junk food is too cheap, as is eating out at some places e.g. Wetherspoons, and that's not helping people to regulate their eating either. (I'm not trying to sound superior there, I really struggle to eat healthily myself some days, mainly when life gets hectic and it's tempting to grab whatever's quickest and easiest.)

It’s called the “bliss point”—the perfect amounts of sugar, fat, and salt, which the UPF scientists have mastered.

Is this why suddenly, a few years back, salted caramel everything appeared?

I think it makes total sense if you are clinically obese to take them. You'd want to get out of the obese category as the health risks are there.

I do think there's a lack of follow up support and I'm not sure people realise how easy it is once you get to just overweight - if you switch to a small calorie deficit then and lift weights, you will continue to lose, while recouping remaining fat into muscle.

I cringe when people have carried on, because at that point your body is going to start burning muscle tissue for energy which is catastrophic for metabolism (see Sharon Osborne).

I think there's probably something in reaching a certain amount of weight loss then stopping and maintaining for a bit, so you can check your own mindset is healthy, get used to a new set point, avoid nutritional deficiency.

I think the issue would also be if you thought its going to be straightforward to maintain the weight loss at the end - that's where it can come unstuck, so that's where you transition gradually and form good habits along the way.

I think they can be open to abuse- I'm really unsure about people staying on them for life as being a good BMI isn't the only health indicator.

Also I'm unsure about people going back on them because of weight gain - that seems like a cycle of ever decreasing muscle mass (as each time you'd gain mainly fat back and then lose some muscle mass again during dieting).

Weight isn't just weight, it's made up of fat and muscle and the body doesn't distinguish - muscle uses more calories at rest so the body will just burn it for energy if you aren't actively strength training and don't appear to be using it, which is catastrophic for hormone synthesis, fragility in older age etc.

Like everything there are risks and benefits to weigh up.

There's also an internalised misogyny where people think women's bodies and weight are an open topic of discussion.