Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

It’s very simple, I am a proud cheat!

My thyroid is under active - I take thyroxine, on it for life!
Im post menopausal - I take HRT , I want to be on it for life!
I believe I have insulin resistance, taking WLI, losing weight and happy to be on it for life!

My man can’t get a stiffie, wee blue pill, hard as fecking Blackpool rock! He doesn’t know it, but he’s on it for the rest of my life!

More than happy to be a cheat!

I doubt it. I can’t imagine that naturally slim women would give such things a second thought.

I’ve always been very slim, sometimes too much due to stress. Given I’ve never struggled with weight I don’t give a second thought to anybody else’s weight unless they mention it. However, many years ago as a teenager some girls used to be really unpleasant to me about it, usually ones who were overweight so in hindsight it was probably jealousy.

The only people whose weight I have noticed are: a close family member who talked to me about their health worries, and have therefore subsequently noticed how much weight they’ve lost through their change of lifestyle with more exercise and diet and complimented them on it when I see them as the difference is very noticeable and I want to be supportive and encouraging; and a friend who has some surgery and confided in me about it so I have been supportive after the surgery to make sure she’s ok and complimented her on how amazing she looks as it has really boosted her confidence and I wanted to validate that, and she does look fantastic (although she did beforehand also, in my opinion! But it wasn’t about that, she did it for her own self-esteem).

I have heard some health concerns about inappropriate use of these jabs without prescription or medical oversight, so if a friend told me they were doing that and buying them randomly online I’d be concerned. However, there are also reports that they can have other health benefits aside from losing weight.

Anyway, I doubt naturally slim women would be jealous of people losing weight to be slimmer as this is a great benefit to everyone, not least in reducing health costs! They are unlikely to be people who are preoccupied with weight as they won’t ever have done dieting or calorie counting or had these issues.

Perhaps I guess there may be some weird resentment from people who’ve struggled with weight a lot themselves and managed to lose some without medicine, so are people who are a bit obsessed with their own weight and compare themselves to others on this basis? Idk.

Most people really will not notice much whether other people are fat or not unless it’s extreme or somebody very close to them, or the other person brings up the subject, because people come in so many shapes and sizes anyway nothing really stands out unless it’s very outside the norm.

It sounds like maybe the OP just met some quite nasty people and if it hadn’t have been this topic they’d have found something else nasty to say. Some people are quite miserable about their own lives so try to find ways to put other people down. Usually beat to ignore. Who cares what they think? Why does it matter? It doesn’t sound like they were close friends of the OP, anyway. Sounds like the medication is really helping you OP so that’s great. 😊

I think it’s weird to assume that others “hate fat people and want them to suffer.” I think it’s much more likely that they simply don’t understand the mindsets and habits that lead to obesity and don’t spend much time thinking about it. When the topic comes up they just say whatever comes to mind which, again, often doesn’t have much thought behind it.

Many overweight people are so self-conscious and constantly ruminate about weight so they assume that others do too. In reality, they simply don’t think about it the same way at all.

@UnwantedOpinionBelowtheres a difference between factual statements about health and risk of health issues, and judgemental comments displaying disgust or dislike. Plenty of people don’t mind an overweight or even obese body, attractiveness-wise otherwise we horrible fatties would all be single!

I'm a thinnish person and I'd 100pc get WLI if I had a lot to lose. I think you are making a great choice for health and happiness. Why reject technology and science discovery! I think they are ridiculous and you don't need these people.

Honestly just ignore them. They just want to feel superior (which is obviously ridiculous). Keep on keeping on and distance yourself. Well done on your weight loss!

I would like to ask what quantifies working hard? Personally I have been obese all my life from everyone saying I would lose puppy fat when I started walking, go to school etc!

Always worked 2 jobs from early 20s (first job at 13 - always been very lazy!) one desk based 1 hospitality so always was active step wise - kept an average of 17k steps per day up for 2 years whilst being obese - just was obsessed with food and I am fairly confident its sensory seeking in some way as well

Got to 19 stone 10 all while lifting heavy weights and maintaining a step count of 12k daily (the 17k became unachievable with fitting in 4 gym sessions a week)

Still working 2 jobs have twins and cheating my way down 2.5 stone in 5 months with the help of WLI - they are not a magic bullet but a lifeline and the first thing to give me hope that all my hard work might be rewarded with getting down to overweight - would be so happy to just get to that level - did it twice with slimming world ion the past and i think we all know what happens then so I am prepared to be on for life the same way my inactive thyroid will be medicated for life!

Some people may need to remain on WLI for the rest of their lives. Because the hormones and blood sugar levels don't magically fix themselves.
Some people can, once they have reduced their obesity and some levels in their bodies have settled naturally, maintain this by eating healthily.
Many people hope that once they are no longer obese, they can adopt healthier lifestyles.
Going to the gym / a walk / a swim is very very difficult, both physically and mentally, when morbidly obese.
It becomes much easier when they have slimmed down a significant amount.
Some people will put the weight back on.
It is not a magic fix.

I have spent some time on antidepressants. And some time managing without. I will spend the rest of my life spending some time on antidepressants. And some time managing without.
I may need to do the same with WLI. Although I am also, in conjuction with taking WLI, counting calories, doing 16:8 fasting, walking daily (my knees are not happy about this) and swimming weekly.
All the things I have been doing for most of my adult life.
The only difference? I am taking a WLI. And I no longer get the overwhelming, unstoppable urge to eat my own bodyweight in sugar every evening....

Look it up on Google like the rest of us.
Also a good article here for you www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy75dk8kjr1o.amp

It's not sad for me at all. Also I am not 'thin', I am 'fit'.

I am not fit to look good to others. The insides of my body are extremely healthy, my willpower and mental health is fantastic because of the lifestyle I have created myself.

A lot of people who take these jabs seem to care more about what others think, hence the quick way out, rather than actually improving themselves in all manners.

Please note, none of my comments are aimed at those with genuine conditions that make weight loss harder but I am aware that is a tiny minority.

Just an opinion.

Yes, I think this is exactly it. Most people really don’t spend much time thinking about their own weight or that of others.

I think anybody being nasty like the OP describes or having such strong opinions on someone else’s medical/ diet choices or body shape must be someone quite obsessed with this who has struggled with their own weight, like a couple of weird comments on the thread seem to exemplify.

I have told no one except dh for precisely this reason OP - I was lectured by a bloody doctor the other day 🙄. 2 stone down and very happy - not sharing with anyone else.

I was simply asking what happens at the end when you stop taking it? Many here are very sensitive to this simple question.

Honestly I think you’re being overly defensive. Those attitudes may exist somewhere in society, but I wouldn’t say that “everyone just hates fat people”. It’s simply hyperbolic.

For me, I was slim my entire life until I gradually started to gain around 2023-24. Got to obesity in summer 2024 and lost the weight a few months after on MJ and am back to being slim again. I can genuinely say there’s been no difference in how I was treated in society like people were still nice to me, NHS listened to me, friends/family were fine, still got promoted, still got attention etc. my biggest critic was always myself.

This

you asked a very reasonable question
and the Op came at you with arms flailing

Thanks. That is very clear. I have asked the question what happens at the end and had endless irate people posting non-answers in response.

People don't like it when you don't do things the 'proper' way and say its cheating. I actually got this loads when I learned to drive automatic only, I have adhd and trying to learn manual just gave me panic attacks so I learnt to drive an auto. The amount of judgement and comments I got about "cheating" and when was i going to learn to drive properly was insane. Literally made no difference to anyone else what or how I drive as long as it's safe. Anyway I learnt to enjoy annoying them with my blatent cheating rather than feeling shamed for it and I am the same with wli. I'm on my last month after getting down to a healthy bmi, I look and feel great now, my weight gain happened after a bereavement and this just helped me get myself back on track and has helped me heal my relationship with food. Those not using them don't realise it's actually still really hard work and I feel cold and tired basically all the time but will soon be happy to wave goodbye and focus on being healthy long term. I am loud and proud about how much I love mounjaro

Yet you clearly want there to be a difference in the way the two groups are perceived, hence going to the effort of posting multiple times on a WLI forum on the issue. There's an unfortunate surprise heading your way, but perhaps you will manage to rally yourself.

Note that I made no comment on your body, and certainly didn't refer to you as thin. This is because I don't care about the decisions you specifically make. My interest is in the wider picture. And there's not necessarily a crossover between being thin and buying into the hierarchy cope: there are fat people who think this too.

My friends have been really supportive and many have joined me on WLIs so your friends sound mean. But I have to confess I haven’t told my best and naturally skinny friend. She is super disciplined, tiny portions always, exercise every day and I fear she might judge. But you know as I know how complex weight gain and loss is. So often (as it was for me) it’s tied up in emotional eating and trauma and so those rules skinny people live by don’t work.

Be glad you found WLIs and that you’ve found out these friends suck. Good friends are supportive.

I went to the gym 4x a week four stones ago, and I go 4x a week now. The only difference is that now my gym gear is size 8.

I always used to bemoan the fact that you couldn't just throw money at weight loss, well the good Lord eventually listened, and delivered me the skinny jab 🙏 Hallelujah.

I pinch myself almost every time I see myself in a photo, or the mirror. I give absolutely no fucks about anyone else's opinion about me taking it. I only hope it will soon be more available and affordable for everyone who it could help.

I don't hate fat people.

Well done @mamabeeboo on doing something about it.

I do get angry about the cost to the NHS and how a huge amount of money goes into diabetes treatments and hip/knee replacements when the money could go to cancer treatments.

One question that I have is if WLI reduce appetite, what happens when people stop injecting? Is this a recipe for yoyo dieting?

Will you be able to sustain the smaller portions and healthier options?

I think there are wrongs on both sides.

Are people taking them 'cheating'? No.
Are overweight people the only people who experience 'food noise'? No.

With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'.

I'd say to them "Funnily enough that's exactly what I'm doing."

I agree though OP. I've mostly just been overweight in the last decade or so but for a short while a few years ago I was in the obese zone. Even so not absolutely huge - a size 16/18 and I'm 5'7" - it was pretty evenly distributed also. I could still fit into normal seats and so on.

What I noticed was that men would often barge into me in the street- I'd be just standing still and they would walk into my shoulder or arm. One actually headed straight for me and knocked my phone flying into the air- I was just glancing at it to use the map/directions but also was looking where I was going - he just made a beeline for me. As I was pretty muscular as well as fat I hope it hurt them as much as it did me. Generally also I'd just be standing somewhere in the shop and people would say "Excuse me" - I'd look behind me and there was a huge gap of six or eight feet for them to get past. I'd just look at them and into the space and not move.

So my impression was that people thought I was "in their way" when I was obese. It really doesn't happen now with a BMI of 26 or when I was up to BMI 29.

You are a hero OP. Well done for taking those smug fuckers down.

I am losing weight the 'natural' way. It is hard as hell. The only reason I'm persevering is because I'm making progress. I am feeling good. I gained lot of weight on medical treatment and it's been really hard to shift. If I was NOT making progress I would be on the injections. I decided I'd give it six months and then decide.

My great friend is losing weight with injections. She has been trying her whole adult life to lose weight and finally is. She is feeling good and her bloods are telling a happy story now too.

We are both feeling good, very close to goal weight and who cares how we got there? We are both fit and active. We both work hard with our diet.

I don’t really get where people seem to think it’s cheating or the easy way out. Unless you are a contestant on the biggest loser, can’t really see the issue.

Well done on your weight loss @mamabeeboo

I saw this clip the other day and she hits the nail on the head.
the only people that have a problem with it, is thin people that want you to stay fat to feel better about themselves.
Apologies for the link being tik tok but I couldn’t find it else where.

www.tiktok.com/@fallontonight/video/7485582043590511914?lang=en