Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

I think this is just an example of people being dicks/ anxious that they are hard done by “Well why can SHE get an injection that makes her thinner when I can’t get one that makes me taller/run faster/less stupid? Snot Fair!” The discourse of weight, especially for women, is so far removed from the pertinent health issues and somehow centred on whether you are Good, as PP have pointed out.

NB I know the injection itself doesn’t make you thinner, just people talk as if it does.

No - they said “snap out of it!”

I’ve found that many skinny people hate fat people……. But LOVE the fact that they are fat!

It makes them feel good about themselves, makes them feel morally superior because they must have better willpower than the fat people, they love to look down their noses as “greedy people”.

@mamabeeboo I am furious with these people on your behalf.

I have been saying this for a while - some people like having the ‘fat friend’. They like to have someone to feel superior to. WLIs have totally levelled the playing field and the rug has been pulled from under their feet. Not so superior now, are they?

ultimately, whatever you do or don’t weigh, whether you lose weight or not and how so ever you go about it, has no impact on other people’s lives and they really should just butt out.

Bloody well done on the weight loss btw x

I don't know. It's all very well saying that WLI will help those with food noise etc. But, and I'm probably going to get flamed, I agree with the people saying it is in some ways, willpower and eating less /moving more.

Not for every single person, of course. We're all different biologically, and any medication affects your body uniquely depending upon its personal characteristics and how your genetics metabolise them (I'm living proof of this, ad I've been permanently harmed by an off label antipsychotic prescribed for severe insomnia and anxiety after a head injury and post concussion syndrome).

Sure, the WLI will help some calm the food noise. But possibly people will be able to take them now, but have no idea of thd long term impact or implications especially as not too many medical professionals know exactly what they do.

I'm just a bit cynical with the off label drugs and how they are being touted as the panacea for weight loss. Whatever natural ways work, i personally would try first. It's better to surely get fit and healthy that way, eat a whole range of foods, exercise and not put yourself at risk of long term effects or something similar.

Plus, what happens when you stop them? Does the weight pile back on? What about the menopausal women who are prone to more weight gain anyway?

But we still do have to watch what we eat all the time and we have to work out to get/remain toned and flexible.

Me too..I've lost 6 stone using calorie defecit over the last 3 years. I lost 2 friends who just couldn't cope with me suddenly being smaller than them (they are a normal size 14 and I've always been the fat friend)

I was fairly restrained I thought! It's not a reasonable question, it's a question that could be self-answered if thought through for a brief moment. It's also often used as a judgemental comment on threads, so much so that it has made it onto the WLI bingo graphic posted up thread.

Apologies if you've read it wrong. I was being sarcastic to the smug poster who watches what they eat and works out all the time to keep thin.

I was trying to make the point that people don't go on this medication for the easy way!

From the perspective of bariatric surgery, you still have to think about what you eat/exercise. It’s not a ‘forever’ cure, much like the wil, I imagine. After surgery, you tend to develop new habits, you don’t want to go back to being extremely overweight (I’ve bought an entirely new wardrobe, fgs! 🤣) It would be easy, I think, to just go back to old habits but what a waste of money that would be. I give myself a day or two a week without tracking what I eat, but I made the decision to not eat chocolate/sweets/cakes/crisps and still haven’t, nearly 2 years on.

Therapy is advised because you really need to change your habits/thoughts. I know the wil removes the food noise, I know lots of people use them after bariatric surgery (you’re not supposed to) to get rid of the last stone or so.

You don’t stop taking it, you keep taking it on a ‘maintenance’ dose. Like anything else I suppose some people will stop and some will keep taking it, only time will tell statistic wise. It probably depends on various things for various people, financial reasons I suppose might be a reason a lot of people might stop? I agree with a lot of comments around the stigma of WLI. I also think a lot of people feel aggrieved as they have done things the ‘hard’ way and now people (like me) have come along and ‘cheated’. Nothing I can do about what other people think.

Basically, OPs title is over sensationalist.

Everyone/all thin people don't hate fat people. Obvious nonsense. I didn't hate fat people when I was thin. But a group of thin people who come out with what was said to OP clearly do have thoughts about weight, and don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. She should have differentiated between the two.

They’ve got fat people in a box: A fat person who I can feel superior to - and that makes me feel smug and better about myself’

You getting out of the box takes their fun away.

You crack on, OP. I wish you good health and happiness - I hope you LOVE being slim.

I don't agree with you or the people you were arguing with.

I don't agree that, for many people, losing weight is as simple as moving more and eating less.

However nor do I agree that people who disagree with you hate fat people / want to feel superior.

I think these weight loss drugs have side effects, someone I know has significant bone density loss as a result of them. I also think they don't address why we as a nation are getting fatter and treats the symptoms rather than the cause.

Op, you go for it, I don't understand people being negative about wli.
My late auntie was morbidly obese for most of her life and spent her last few years bed bound as a result.She was a highly educated, very clever woman but could not overcome her weight issues.
Any help AT ALL should be received with hope for a better quality of life.
Good luck

It is a bit annoying! I know some people ask it in good faith, but it would take them as much time to google as it would to develop concerns and type them out. It's also not a standard that is always applied to other medications. Most people understand the concept of taking medication for life if needed. So people do get suspicious.

Having been fat almost all of my life,(mid 60s now) I was given a drug called tenuate dospan in my teens. It worked wonders I lost weight. but I did not combine it with exercise and "learning". I have now been at SW for over 10 years during which time I have only lost 10% of my starting weight. My plan is to go on Mounjaro and stay at slimming world so that once its off I can keep it off. I am terrified of the increased health risks of my obesity BMI 40. I am fed up of never feeling good in clothes or photos and time is running out. I swim 3 times a week, I go to aquaaerobics twice a week I do at least 6k steps a day. I also weight train once a week (going to up it twice). My problem is food noise and I am an emotional eater. so one week its 2lbs off then stay the same next week then 3lbs on then 1lb off then 1lb off then stay the same etc....

If I could do this on my own I would. this is my last throw of the dice and I just hope my doctor is supportive. all my readings are good - normal blood pressure, low cholesterol, low sugar levels but I am hopelessly fat and unhappy about it.

Clearly these new drugs are a game changer because WW have filed for bankruptcy.

@mamabeeboo
When my mum was 12, they wrote “pleasingly plump” underneath her photo in the yearbook.
She wasn’t plump. If anything, she was 5lbs overweight.
But that stayed with her her entire life, and she must’ve gone through 50 fad diets - and then she started my sister on a multitude of these fad diets.
At 92, Mum was still talking about that comment in her yearbook. That’s what comments about your weight can do.
I think you’re doing beautifully.
Sending love from California ❤️

I think you must do the things that work for you. All things have pros and cons. Hopefully the WLI will allow you to change your eating and lose the weight to get healthy. I think, on balance, it’s a positive thing for many people.
I do have two concerns about the injections which I feel must be considered carefully.
What happens when you have to stop taking it?
We don’t actually know what the long term problems may be yet. Hopefully none but it’s definitely something that should’ve taken into account when choosing to use them.

Totally agree. It’s linked to society having internalised the Christian sins of greed and sloth. Idiots shouting “eat less move more” are basically religious zealots often, unknowingly bound by Christian morality.

This unconscious espousing of religious zeal is basically rooted in thin superiority complex. There’s often a false assumption they’re doing everything right you’re doing everything wrong. Just as the religious would hate there being no sinners (because how would they recognise they were saved) the thin people with a moral superiority complex need there to be fat people to maintain their self worth and to be amongst the saved.

I've lost nearly 5 stone the old fashioned way thanks to T2 diabetes that didn't want to play ball with medication anymore when I turned 50. My Dad was insulin dependent as was his Mum, so regardless of my weight it would have got me. I've had to go low carb which isn't easy being vegetarian and it's been slow (over 3/4 years) but I'm still slowly losing and I'm off nearly all of my meds. I need to lose about another 3 stone to meet the diabetic team's expectations. What I have found is that taking out high carb/ high fat foods out of my diet has cured what people call "food noise". Don't eat it, you don't crave it and I do think that we've lost our way with what we as a society view as food. Most supermarkets are full of highly processed high fat/high carb/high sugar foods and drinks that no one needs to be eating.

What does bother me with the WLI is when people start buying them off FB/social media rather than going through pharmacies and health care professionals. You do need to be monitored taking them, like any form of regular medication. I go every 6 months and rely on them for being my health barometer.

I am currently losing weight at the same rate as my friends who are on WLI. Healthy eating, portion control and exercise? Nope, reduced appetite through glandular fever has triggered a massive relapse of an eating disorder that I don't know how I'm going to get out of.

The weight loss injections work (this pace of weight loss doesn't just happen through a few more salads, smaller portions and exercise) and would be far, far better than an eating disorder, so keep on going with those jabs and ignore the jealous people who have no idea what it's like to be anything other than thin.

I am delighted if fat people lose weight and I don't give a damn how they do it.

I don't regard WLI as an easy option if that is what it takes.

You could see nicotine patches etc as 'unnecessary' but if they stop someone smoking, go for it!

Weight gain is complex and usually a combination of emotional eating/drinking and also the role of the food companies producing cheap, unhealthy foods that are pushed right , left and centre, everywhere. And fast food outlets all over the High St.

Even on this thread I'm getting a pop up advert of a huge pizza!

But I also think that anyone who has been very overweight for years will need counselling and support so they don't raid the biscuit tin if they suddenly feel unhappy, bored or something goes wrong in their lives (so they turn to food.)
It's not that different to an alcoholic - it's usually an addiction.

I'm struggling to understand you 'blaming' fat people for NHS spending on diabetes treatment and joint replacement because that limits resources for cancer treatment.

Not sure how you square that particular set of beliefs when a fair amount of cancers are known to be caused by obesity.

Are there other illnesses that you deem 'worthy' and 'non worthy' of NHS care, or just the headliners?

I think some people view being fat as some kind of moral failing.

The overweight person is seen to be acting in a non-logical way by eating a poor diet or perhaps eating for emotional reasons. From the outside, it's simple. If you are fat, eat less, be less fat.

People who regulate their weight successfully perhaps view themselves as being more logical and rational, compared to people who can't.

When someone loses weight with injections, I suspect that some people feel that it is a way to cheat yourself into the thin, rational, moral group. If everyone can "easily" lose weight, that moral superiority is lost.

Sounds to me like these people didn't care about side effects, or you, or what you are going through. They just don't like the thought of people getting a free pass into the superior group. Good job they are not your friends OP, don't give them a second thought.