Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

I know a few folk who are on it and I say good luck to them and I hope it works. I just wish other people I know would take them and not worry so much about any health scares about them as I think being overweight isn’t healthy either.

I have no desire to see my friends ‘fail’ or ‘stay fat’ - I just want them to be happy in their skin as stopping the food noise seems to be a major factor and something I am grateful not to have.

"Someone who injects themselves to reduce hunger to lose weight is not on the same level as someone who truly worked hard to get fit and eat well."

You're falling for the common fallacy that exercise is an effective way to lose weight. It is actually hugely inefficient compared with adopting a weight loss diet.

Many obese people don't bother with supposed "weight loss exercise" because they know it doesn't work. They know that weight loss diets DO work, but are difficult to maintain. Those "jabs" help people maintain the weight loss diet, which is what causes the weight reduction.

And yes, those people are not "on the same level (of silliness)" as people who've deluded themselves that "gym" is an efficient weight loss method.

So sorry this was your experience - I lost 6.5 stone with MJ (and Ozempic initially). Had a brutal menopause and am hypothyroid. Lockdown and covid triggered weight gain that 3 years of starving, walking etc just couldn’t shift. People really don’t understand that these drugs do more that kerb your appetite - the recalibrate your insulin production and correct a malfunction that has meant starving won’t help. Just like antidepressants work to correct an issue with serotonin reuptake.

These people read the headlines in the papers and ignore the rest. I only told my DH and eventually a neighbour (GP who has since gone on a course about them) and then literally 3 very very close friends… but only once they had revealed they were open minded about them. If they ask again just lie if you have to - yeah I took what you said on board and joined WW/SW. I bow to your superior knowledge etc. And carry on.

Best thing I ever did, even if I do have to remain on a low dosage forever. My 17yo son is on them (under an endocrinologist and paediatrican) and has lost 4.5 stone and never looked healthier (bad covid x4, glandular fever and ASD… so no-one’s fault that he gained weight in his teens). He is so confident in himself now.

And apparently they half cancer incidence in the obese, seem to have a preventative effect against Alzheimers. So, fuck your friends. Physical health, extended life potential and keeping my faculties is worth more to me than some bitch old non-friends.

Sending a hug!

Being repulsed is a natural reaction and one of nature's ways of keeping us from becoming dangerously overweight

What the ACTUAL fuck are you on about? Just - WTAF??

"I am repulsed by fat people but that is OK because it's 'natural'??

No. It is bigotism.

Give your head a bloody wobble.

It’s hard to say without knowing you but one of my friends has lost 2 1/2 stone on Mounjaro and I wouldn’t notice the difference. 6 stone is amazing tho so maybe your friends must notice the difference? Maybe they just don’t like to say? I do try and avoid commenting on peoples weight as it ties into the whole - weight loss = fabulous, weight gain = bad vibe.

"She wasn’t plump. If anything, she was 5lbs overweight."

Can you explain?

Someone said why is losing weight through diet etc any different to doing it by WLIs. As far as I know, there's no difference but if someone's lost weight through WLIs, what happens when they reach their target weight? Are they more or less likely to regain weight? And do they have to change the sorts of things they eat while they they are having the WLIs?

Well I can speak for me - things I have tried:

Weight watchers
Slimming world
calorie counting
raw food
vegan diet
daily cardio
weights
fitness classes
various types of therapy

my ADHD and PTSD leaves me with a disregulated vagus nerve -chewing helps regulate it (see Dr Stephen Porges).,chewing - pref something crunchy is the only thing to stop the need - the more I try and control it, the more my hyper focus switches to food. The cortisol from the stress of the PTSD affects the fat burning

Its amazing how uneducated the world is about weight gain.

I'm a size 10 and have two clinically obese close friends.

Of course I don't hate them for being obese, nor do I hate them for losing weight. Why would I?

I'm concerned that these are comparatively untested drugs and may harm them, but on balance against the threat that being BMI 30+ poses, I guess it's their call. I dislike the fact that they are each spending huge amounts (neither has the WLI on the NHS). It isn't prescribed by a qualified doctor which worries me.

But if it works, I'll be thrilled for them.

I need to start fasting, it's the best way to get rid of sugar/general food cravings. Hard at first but your body loves having a break from being stuffed with food. I intend to do this then self-sabotage by buying food which I have to eat because otherwise, food waste.

Declined WLI as I think they don't educate you or stop you craving. Blood sugar diet helped me and was eating 1 meal a day but then leapt off the wagon and am now fairly ill.

Everyone else has to have will power and exercise to stay in shape. For me, that’s why the jabs annoy me. They are a cheat to continue your lazy lifestyle that is off limits to everyone else.

I have much more respect for people who take the time to learn about obesity than those who spout judgemental bollocks from a position of ignorance

Honestly, those I've told I've just said why do it the hard way? And they can't answer. I've tried that way so I honestly don't care what anyone else thinks. It's quite freeing to be honest, but I think you're right, people just don't like the thought of cheating or not putting in the work, they are ignorant that's all.

I'm not sure it's abiut hating those of us who are fat. I think it is more that people who.find losing weight/keeping it off just simply cannot imagine being in a body that doesn't work like that.

I have a variety of health issues including arthritis that means exercise is exceptionally painful. I am already maxed out on painkillers, have been on weekly slow release morphine etc a d nothing helps alleviate the pain enough.

I don't eat the wrong things, my portion control is reasonable. I don't drink and I don't smoke. But I struggle to move more.

I am probably about 4 stone overweight and yes losing the weight would help some of the symptoms of my arthritis and possibly other conditions too. However, when moving more on day 1 means I am incapacitated for a week or more then I am afraid I am not going to put myself through it.

I am not on WLI. But I am considering it.

I have spent 20 years asking the gp for help with my weight to just be shrugged off or ig bored because they have no way to manage the pain enough to allow me to exercise enough.

But people judge what they see, a fat woman in her 40's who struggles to walk and they think they know why.

This is satire, right?

That's not WLI they're on! 😂

🤣 yeah but honestly, I couldn't care less, so what if I'm cheating, what bearing does it have on your life at all?

Weight loss injections are a very useful tool and they can give people the start they need. People think it’s a lazy way to lose weight but so what? The result is the same. You still need to put the work in at the gym to maintain and build muscle and make other permanent lifestyle changes. It’s not a solution in isolation, it just removes the food noise and gives people the headspace to make those changes.

I think you might be missing the irony. Fortunately the person concerned didn’t.

You do get treated differently when you're fat. I completely agree.
I was also naturally slim until some medication I needed made me put 3 stone on in 2 years. No other changes to my lifestyle, just the meds. It was very depressing and also a real eye opener into how mean society is about overweight people.
Glad to say with the help of MJ I have now lost the 3 stone. I know how to be slim, I was my whole life. It's so patronising of people to assume it's ignorance around healthy eating that makes a person fat. Most of us know very very well what the right thing to do is. Many of us have reasons why those things do not work for us.

Some do, believe it or not. Some of my family members used to think that depressed people should just cheer up, pull themselves together and snap out of it.

My mother was one and she even said it to me about my clinically depressed DD3 who had anorexia. I shut her (my mother) down sharply whenever she started. I don't have to now as she herself became clinically depressed after my Dad died so she now understands much more that it just isn't that simple. That was three years ago now and she is on long term citalopram.

Continue taking the drug, but don't tell anyone as it's bound to attract negative comments.. Of course, much better to change your diet and get off your ass - maybe you could do both.....

Obesity is a serious problem in the UK - puts pressure on the NHS and leads to all kinds of illnesses and disabilities like knee and hip problems. Also, slimmer folk look better.

I have only told my (adult) daughter, though I mentioned it to the pharmacist at the GP surgery the other day and she said a lot of people working at the surgery are on them too and she thought it was a great thing to do.

It reminds me a bit of when you tell someone who gave birth “with no pain relief” that you had an epidural. The insinuation that you cheated in some way and didn’t do it “properly” because you didn’t choose to just suck it up when there was a perfectly reasonable and effective way of getting the same result WITHOUT THE AGONISING PAIN. How dare you bypass this painful right of passage and still claim pride?? For some reason their internal hero complex (about being so brave and amazing and strong and having the MOST WILLPOWER EVER) is really bloody pissed at your “easy way out”.

Society is horribly fattist. It really is. And people should mind their own business. They have no idea what other people experience and shouldn’t conflate them finding something easier, to it being easy for everyone.

No need to be mean . Many people don’t know how they work. I know someone on them who doesn’t know how they work. And quieten the food noise is “nonsense “ speak. How do they work scientifically? If you cannot explain it to someone, don’t berate them.