Mounjaro - 10 Stone or more to lose (Thread 3)

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Thought I'd kick start a new thread for this oh so supportive little group, as the last thread was reaching it's limit.

Just adding to the voices @Kay2000, I fast twice a week, have done for years (did fall off the wagon a few times), two days a week I consume no more than 4/500 calories a day, (5:2 fasting). It’s so much easier to do on MJ as well. Pre MJ it helped me to maintain my weight and not continue to put more on. I want to continue with the 5:2 fasting long after my Mounjaro journey.
it must be very hard for her to deal with mentally as for the majority it’s a miracle. There was someone else on these 10 stone or more threads who had to stay under 1000 calories to lose anything, is it you @Doggymummar, you’ve been here for a while? It must be sooooo frustrating.

@Iwouldratherbesinging I’ve never tried it, as I know before I’d have binged before and after my fast days and I knew I’d find fasting impossible. But now I might try it, to help speed up my losses. Do you calorie count on the 5 days?

I’ve just had a scroll back through the original 10 stone or more thread, it’s really lovely to go back and read all our thoughts and feelings and seeing how far we’ve come! It was @justeanbiscuits that also struggled with losing if eating more than 1000 calories. I haven’t seen her for a while so hope all is ok ☺️

weigh in day for me today and another 2.5lbs off which puts me at a ‘skinny’ 14stone 6lbs! I’m 4 lbs away from a 5 stone loss, how exciting.

I fully recommend going back and having a read, we peak and trough with our feelings - hugs to all x

No, that was my main reason for starting as calorie counting messed with my head, it became obsessive and I was thoroughly miserable, such as fixating on the tiny piece of cheese I couldn’t have, who cries over a few grams of cheese!!

My fast days are Monday and Thursday. You can choose to have three tiny meals or do what I did, just have the one evening meal. It works so well for me, hubby does it as well. Pre MJ I did find myself over eating on a Sunday evening as I knew I wouldn’t be eating again until Monday night, but something was working as I was maintaining, so for me it was a win. X

I'm here!!! Thank you for thinking of me. Bimbling along as about half a pound a week at the moment - but at least it's movement I guess! And a dose of the miseries about it so not been here much till the miseries pass!

Something weird is happening, I nearly lost my trousers in Tesco today! Summer wardrobe is out and these trousers were quite snug at the end of last summer but today they are very roomy and I had to keep pulling them up. The scales are not showing a big loss yet only 5lb since starting 4 weeks ago but some witchcraft is going on as I no longer need a bra extender and my clothes feel different. Jab day tomorrow and I’m going up to 5mg.

I'm actually losing about half a pound a week now.

Having lost 7st 3lb, I think that the end of this MJ undertaking is about eight months away.

That's going to take me till Christmas.

It's funny, I don't mind how slow it is, because I know it's happening.

I've not even made it to 6 stone yet. I've emailed requesting a telephone appointment with my consultant to see if there is a non-mounjaro option to try that might perk things up a bit!

@52soon I've noticed with my own weight loss, and I think I've seen it discussed on threads before, that your body fat changes as you lose it and it becomes softer before it goes, which I suppose can change how your clothes fit.

@Iwouldratherbesinging I've just had a look back at the first thread, and re-read some of my posts. In those posts from the start of December, I was hoping to be around my target weight by the summer. My weight loss has definitely slowed, it's still 1 or 2 pounds a week though, but I won't be at target by my year anniversary. I would hope to be under 30 BMI by then, which would be a great result either way. A summer where I am not obese would be amazing! That hasn't been the case for over a decade, and then it was only really for one summer.

Yes, I think you’re right my belly was always rock solid but it has started to become squishy! Maybe it’s doing something to the fat cells before the pounds drop. I’ll take any reduction in size or weight at the moment.

@mamabeeboo your other post will be featured in the tabloids at this rate! You go girl! 😍

I just eat once a day generally, I don't find it restrictive at all to be honest, it's quite liberating and I have so much free time now when I'm not cooking. My OH loves it too as he orders takeout when he cant be bothered to cook which was 4 times last week. Lazy bugger. He's stuffing McDonald's next to me right now. I had a roast beef filled bagel for lunch so not hungry yet. I was keto for years and was always OMAD and he is too so we are used to it. I cooked sausages at lunch time for him but he doesn't want them. I will nibble one later if I'm hungry. I have a great multivitamin but my bloods are great only Vit D was down so I have that too, cod liver oil, and mag cit for sleep. I have bought loads of salad stuff this week, and an avocado so looking forward to that tomorrow, with a sausage most likely 😁

Oh eck I think I might have a problem.

Went for a blood test yesterday and logged onto the NHS app today and I’m no longer type 2 diabetic. Blood sugar levels are normal.

Obviously this is wonderful but I’m suspecting the diabetes nurse might be ringing me for a meds review. Wonder if I can persuade her to leave me on the Mounjaro for another 3-6 months to make sure it’s not a fluke result 🙈

I saw a post yesterday where this happened to someone, and they decided to fund it themselves. It's bitter sweet isn't it. Congratulations tho

@Lobsterteapot that's a great result for you, to push the diabetes into remission, if that's the right terminology? Surely you'd need to stay on the medication that is having the positive effect though?

@Doggymummar It really is! I’ve been diabetic for years and Mounjaro has sorted it in less than 6 months (I mean thinking less selfishly for a mo - imagine the good that results like that could bring to society!)

@SilenceInside My dad got a “not diabetic” reading at Christmas and the nurse tipped her head to one side and said “lets just get another reading in 6 months before we take you off meds” - fingers and toes crossed for this!

I read somewhere only last week that you’re not “cured” of diabetes, it’s viewed as being in remission. So arm yourself with facts before you speak to the nurse. If you come off MJ, because you can’t afford it, then you’ll most likely regain the weight and your blood sugars will go up.

@Kay2000 yep been reading that too - “in remission” is what it’s called. It sounds like I’ll have to have an annual check up and eye test for life to keep an eye on it.
To be in remission you’ve got to maintain the normal blood sugar reading WITHOUT drugs - I’m on 3! Hopefully I can argue the case for a staged removal of these (Mounjaro last!)

The 32nd European Congress on Obesity ends today so there are various news articles. I find the reporting on obesity frustrating, as they never link to the actual research studies and/or they are behind paywalls.

The comments on the Telegraph article show that naturally thin people think we are lazy, ill disciplined and simply need to eat less and move. They have no idea.

When writing about the risks of WLI, journalists don't weigh those risks against the positive benefits of weight loss. Things like not dying early and the illnesses and medical events related to being so fat we won't experience if we shed the weight. They don't understand the compulsion and helplessness of women like us who have repeatedly failed to shed and keep weight off, the desperation and sadness.

Data from the Select trial (conducted by semaglutide manufacturer Novo Nordisk om 5 years of data on 17,604 adults over the age of 45 from 41 countries) found that Wegovy/Ozempic injections halved the risk of heart attack deaths after six months - even for those who don't lose much weight. Cardiologist and UCL professor, Prof John Deanfield, a government adviser on health policy, said it's a gamechanger. “Around half of the patients that I see in my cardiovascular practice have levels of weight equivalent to those in the Select trial and are likely to derive benefit from taking semaglutide on top of their usual level of guideline-directed care."

“Our findings show that the magnitude of this treatment effect with semaglutide is independent of the amount of weight lost, suggesting that the drug has other actions which lower cardiovascular risk beyond reducing unhealthy body fat.
“These alternative mechanisms may include positive impacts on blood sugar, blood pressure or inflammation, as well as direct effects on the heart muscle and blood vessels, or a combination of one or more of these."

Professor Donna Ryan, of Pennington Biomedical Research Centre, found weight loss using semaglutide “can be sustained for up to four years” in adults who are overweight or obese, without diabetes. The Independent reported more than the Telegraph and ITV etc www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ozempic-weight-loss-jab-heart-attack-stroke-b2544452.html

@TragicMuse I am going to keep the 'too big' clothes so that I can reuse the fabric.

I know what you mean about having stitching you are really proud of and don't want to lose. Have you thought about doing something using patchwork? Maybe a bag or similar with the fabrics and stitches from clothes you no longer wear. It could be quite symbolic.

@Lobsterteapot my understanding is that a non diabetic blood sugar level while on medication indicates that your diabetes is being managed not that it is cured.

I take medication to manage a few conditions including diabetes. If my blood clotting levels are good this isn't an indication to throw away my warfarin and heparin injections, it's an indication that my condition is being managed.

My understanding with mounjaro for diabetes is that you get to a healthy blood sugar and weight then titrate your mounjaro dose down to a point where your blood sugar and weight are maintained.

This dosage will be individual to you. It could be none, some or lots.

However, I am not a doctor!

Apologies for triple posting!

Something I am seeing more clearly now through DD2's experience with mounjaro and diabetes (8 stone weightloss) is that diabetes is more complicated than we have been led to believe.

As fat diabetics, DD and I have always been told that we brought this on ourselves and that salvation a cure will be achieved through weightloss. Except that DD is finding that as she loses weight her diabetes is becoming more unstable not less. She is finding hypos occurring more frequently.

I think the medical community is slowly waking up to the idea that diabetes is just a collection of symptoms which may have many causes.

Morning everyone!
Jab 17, 10mg
SW: 144kg
CW:125kg
GW: 90kg

I'm officially the lowest I have been in 10 years!!! I've lost all the weight I gained from three pregnancies, lockdown and my husband taking me out to dinner every 5 mins. So pleased.

I feel really light on my feet now and my confidence improving. I'm talking to more people now, rather than running inside the house for everyone to leave me alone.

I'm on holiday tomorrow for 5 days. It's not a very long time, but enough to potentially lose momentum - before MJ this change in schedule (holiday, birthday, bank holiday, Christmas etc) is usually what would get me out of the mindset and momentum of weightloss and I'd fall off, so I'm quite nervous.

It's definitely a mental battle as much as physical for me.

I'm trying to get a plan ready for myself so that this doesn't happen:

• eat twice a day- late breakfast/early dinner should see me through
• Sensible meal options - yes to the chips, but share with the hubby - I don't need a mountain of chips to myself
• gym at the hotel a couple of times - I've NEVER done this before and have always found it intriguing when people workout on holiday (who does that?!)
• alcohol only during the weekend Saturday date
• keep up the water intake
• additional drinks - sugar free/diet versions
• walk everywhere

Any feedback/support is appreciated.

I know some say to 'enjoy' the holiday, but given what my track record has been like, this is my downfall. I'm not the strong person I will be this time next year when my habits are set and my new lifestyle takes effect. But I will be.

@mamabeeboo great weightloss!

Some thoughts for your holiday.

1. Don't forget to enjoy it. It isn't a test, you won't pass or fail.
2. Take your time when reading a menu. If you think 'ooo, that sounds tasty' then that is what you should have. I did this when out for lunch with a friend and was shocked at myself to be tempted by a side salad as my main course.
3. If you choose to have a side order of chips don't be surprised if you barely touch them.
4. Be mindful of what you are eating and drinking. That doesn't mean don't eat or drink it means enjoy eating and drinking. Savour it.
5. Remember that mounjaro will still be doing its thing.

@mamabeeboo Agree with the above, you’ll probably just not want what you had before. We’ve been on various breaks since I started on the Mounjaro and I’d order the pizza or pud and then found that a small amount would satisfy me.
It must be what a naturally thin person feels!