OK I'm convinced, weight-loss drugs are Incredible and will change the world

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DH has been on them for a couple of months and they've changed our lives for the better. He's an over eater/ mild binger and generally quite obsessed with food. Never managed to keep weight off.

Now he's happy, calm, doesn't think about food, eats like a 'normal person' and it's freed up so much space and joy in our lives.

Apparently in the future it'll be a pill you can either take that day or not, e.g. Most days but not Christmas day. Incredible!

Yes I know people get side effects and they don't work for everyone, etc. But I'm very impressed.
Apparently they also help alcoholics and other addicts as they work on the reward centre's of the brain. Amazing.

I'm not sure what debate people want to have. It's a licensed drug that as long as used properly has been found to have benefits that outweigh the risks. I don't feel the need to justify taking a prescription drug that I qualify for and am not interested in judgements on how I could do things better. As if I haven't tried other routes.

On mj I eat better, drink less and am not taking any medication to manage side effects so really don't see the argument it's not changing my behaviour. I am perfectly happy, have no eating disorders and don't need therapy. I just need to lose weight and mj helps me do this.

Again, we’re not talking about people who are genuinely concerned with risks. But for some reason you seem to have become invested in arguing this point which was never even directed at you, or anyone in your position.

Thanks, I don't think I do have any underlying conditions that would qualify me - I did tick to say I had struggled to lose weight because of ill health, which has been resolved surgically now, but it didn't ask that. I also put that I have depression. But that's it.

Oh, I'm white British.

I was comfortable taking the pill and aware of the risks. I was one of the unlucky ones who it caused a pulmonary embolism in. I don't see endless posts telling people how dangerous the side effects of the pill are though, despite it also being a non essential medicine that's brought massive improvements to millions of people's lives.
I do think for a lot of people, and I'm not saying for a moment that you're one of them, if they were really honest with themselves it boils down to not thinking fat people deserve a medical solution to help with that. 'Fat people are lazy' and how dare we get a perceived-to-be-easy solution.

People also need to stop lumping "overweight people who qualify for WLI" and "slim or slightly chubby people who obtain WLI illegally to lose a stone" together. These are two completely separate groups of people. The bad outcomes for the group who shouldn't be taking them should not be used as evidence when talking about the people who are qualified to take them. It's the same with any drug. Those who abuse it will have more issues than those who take it as per the guidelines.

Given the thousands of posts by users saying they now eat healthily, often for the first time in adult lives, aren't their children now more likely to be educated regarding eating healthily?

I'd have thought a permanently-hungry, snack-stuffing parent and her calorie-controlling, portion-weighing sister would both be more likely to give their children food issues than the one who's easily satisfied by a normal, balanced meal.

Depression is one of the specific underlying conditions, although they specify weight related depression but those who have depression simply click and it doesn't strictly matter whether the depression is caused because of your weight or something else. The point of it is that being obese will likely affect your already poor mental health anyway and taking a medication that will help you in losing weight if every other avenue has failed (another question they ask and as you ticked it, it adds to your qualifying point) will help improve it.

It's up to the individual to give accurate and honest information just like you would to your GP who can only take your word for it too. They're simply there to follow guidelines and prescribe to those who meet the criteria. If your answers show that you meet it, they prescribe it. No different from the GP or pharmacist who'll prescribe meds to you based on what you've told them if it meets the criteria for that medication.

My boss commented I'd lost weight and I commented I was on the jabs (we're very open in my team) and her reply was, "as a Dane, I thank you on behalf of our economy" which made me giggle.

I don't think any drug is a miracle - but this one has given me something I've not had for a very long time in terms of my weight... hope I can get it down to a normal BMI. Still have to be in a calorie deficit, still have to fight the fact that cake tastes nicer than celery and make the sensible choices - but that overwhelming food noise and badly callibrated appetite (you won't get those references unless you've lived it) is ignorable - which is the only goal I seek - I don't seek massive appetite suppression or no food noise at all because I've got to learn to live in the new way and manage it. I'm hoping that reducing my weight by a large amount will increase my mobility and decrease joint issues - which can then feed into a positive spiral after decades of trying and not getting anywhere with it.

As for the "but kids will need to learn" - one of mine is absolutely the bottom end of normal BMI (her weight is monitored for medical conditions) and the other is slap bang in the centre of normal BMI - we've done all we can since they were born to support them in not continuing the cycle.

I've been on it a month, I'm a stone down, and yes I've had crappy stomach side effects about half of the weeks post-jab - but for the amount of weight I have to lose, the risks and potential serious risks (such as pancreatitis) outweigh the risks of continuing at my current BMI.

You need to have a bmi of over 30 to start on it, you can then carry on to goal which will be within the healthy bmi range.
They don't stop prescribing once your bmi is under 30

Probiotics have nuked my sugar cravings, give them a try if sugar is your demon, it is mine.

Absolutely right. I started as I was classified as morbidly obese. My goals are not the same as Miss only very chubby who wants to squeeze into a size 8 lbd for the Xmas party. They are the group of people (lots on fb) who have had issues or are now encouraging all theirs mates as it is better than any other fad diet they used in the past.

Oh yes @HansHolbein post your fabulous bingo card 😂

Credit where credit is due to @1clavdivs for the fab bingo card! I think we might need to make a bigger one soon 😂

apologies to @1clavdivs - your fantastic creation

and yes we should take stuff off this thread to add to the card 😂

Thank you - that's really useful information for me, it might be worth me looking into it properly in that case.

Ooh is there more for the card? Leave it with me...

"I have a friend who took the jab and is living in the hospital atm... " OR "I know many people who took the jabs and have regretted it because they've been vomiting for 8 weeks nonstop", etc.

They always know someone who has something horrible to report Or someone who's gotten it from the hairdressers or personal trainer at the gym.

I really hope you don't regret taking it in 20 years time

Guinea pig

Can we add guinea pig to the bingo card please 😂

Such a sinister thing to say to someone!

We've had:
You'll regret in 5 years
You'll regret it in 10 years
You'll regret it in 20 years...

Maybe you’ll regret it in...100 years.

The years just keep on getting longer like they want to make sure they cover enough time - even on our death bed in many many years to come when we're completely old and happy to go, there will be this one regret that they'll be happy to know we supposedly have.

@ChangeHasCome The real question is, why do they care so much?

Would their faux concern be the same if there was an injection to stop drug addicts being drug addicts? Alcoholics to stop being alcoholics? Smokers to stop smoking?

Or should they all just stop drinking, smoking, and taking drugs because it’s soooo easy.

You just have to laugh about it!

@HansHolbein
They definitely don't care. Some are simply afraid of what this could mean for them. So they want to stop it instead. The fear isn't for us but "What if this actually works and I can't be part of it? So I hope it doesn't work so I don't feel like I've missed out on something life changing. Even if it seems to work now, I hope there is a reason they'll regret it later (5,10,30 years from now) and I'd be finally be thankful and happy that I missed out".

’I don’t care what the science says, I don’t understand it (and refuse to understand it), and that scares me. Therefore it’s evil and no one should take it, but when (fill in the blank scary outcome) happens, don’t say I didn’t warn you. Oh, and the earth is flat’.

@1clavdivs
'Yeah but Sharon Osbourne' has gotta go on the bingo card. You know, that exemplar of healthy, clean living and good sense..until she took Ozempic of course.