OK I'm convinced, weight-loss drugs are Incredible and will change the world

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DH has been on them for a couple of months and they've changed our lives for the better. He's an over eater/ mild binger and generally quite obsessed with food. Never managed to keep weight off.

Now he's happy, calm, doesn't think about food, eats like a 'normal person' and it's freed up so much space and joy in our lives.

Apparently in the future it'll be a pill you can either take that day or not, e.g. Most days but not Christmas day. Incredible!

Yes I know people get side effects and they don't work for everyone, etc. But I'm very impressed.
Apparently they also help alcoholics and other addicts as they work on the reward centre's of the brain. Amazing.

I agree. How hilarious. I only skimmed the preaching post so I hadn't even realised it was yet another one preaching what they don't practice. Typical.

Really hard to tell as being a compulsive overeater with uncontrolled diabetes (i know, i know) means that now I'm eating much less/much healthier I am experiencing an improvement in my mood/mental state but it's hard to know whether the MJ is affecting the ADHD symptoms directly or whether it's the lack of binging/eating shite/healthier diet.

You can get it with a lower than 30 bmi (27+) with underlying health conditions. You can't get it prescribed legally any other way. It's that straightforward as part of the criteria besides just a bmi of 30+. That's what I've always posted!

I think we have. We need to add more!

I thought they were only available for a bmi over 30, but from reading this thread see that over 27 is the line in some cases.

I've just plugged my details into Voy and was surprised that they would prescribe it to me - but I've had my gall bladder removed so as soon as I say I've had gall bladder issues I'm not suitable. Not sure if that's only applicable if I still have the gall bladder!

Has anyone had it prescribed with no gall bladder? (Especially if Bmi 27-29) I see mounjaro and ozempeic are apparently OK with no gall bladder but not sure what companies allow that to see if I'm suitable.

I'm very very intrigued by those saying it's affected ADHD symptoms - that would be amazing as well as the snacking / bingeing.

What many will not agree with you and others about is that it's not either or. It's not either 'take WLI and eat crap' or 'eat healthily'. It goes hand in hand. WLI is prescribed with the advice to use it in conjuction with healthy eating and exercise lifestyle. Those who take it for the right reasons are doing just that (the drug helps them to) so I'm not sure you're saying what they don't already know and agree with. Eating crap while on it will actually not work. You literally cannot.

I'm not sure who you're expecting to disagree except that you don't really understand how the WLI works.

If you actually knew about this medication which you obviously don't, you'll know that this is exactly one of the things it aims to help those on it achieve. It is literally in the patient leaflet. For many, they'll be able to continue doing so without it. For some, they'll need it longterm to be able to do so. It isn't different from other medications that help your body function the way it is supposed to. That is literally what it does so it is as helpful to those who need it as your meds are to you.

I find it a little surprising and a lot dismaying the handful of people posting who profess to have no understanding of weight related issues, what causes obesity and the level of complexity behind that, the whole just eat healthy and move more, and who also profess to have no understanding of weight loss drugs, but are all over the thread, giving erroneous opinions based on ignorance.

I have seen a few of these threads. And I suspect it’s the same posters, over and over again , with different names on each thread. Who do know. Who have been told, but their negative emotional reaction to the fact people are becoming slimmer and healthier on these drugs is driving them to post negativity and erroneously.

They can’t formulate an educated argument against, as there isn’t one. Who are they. Fat people who can’t get the drugs for some reason, money, contradictory health conditions, anxiety, or slim people who don’t want to lose their feeling of superiority, who knows.

I thought they were only available for a bmi over 30, but from reading this thread see that over 27 is the line in some cases.

Bmi of 27+ with underlying conditions or other ethnicities (classed as obese from a bmi of 27) or a bmi of 30 in general.

You must have fallen into any of these categories to have gone through or something else is not being said. If not, you'll be rejected once the pharmacist takes a look at your order before approval.

@Dietingfool Also usually started by an OP who doesn’t come back.

Anyway, they will move on to the new stop smoking pill soon I guess.. with their faux concern.

It’s so very predictable.. every. Single. Time.

Just eat less, that works! I’ve been doing that for 20 years and can never manage it. So I’m at least one person it doesn’t work for.

Thank you to people who responded to my post earlier.

My next question is where can you buy them, safely and legally, on a private basis? I have Googled but it’s hard to tell what’s legitimate and what isn’t.

Any legitimate online pharmacy will display their GPhC registration number. You can then go to the GPhC website and search the register to check the registered details are correct. You can also see their most recent inspection report, if one has been done.

There are big names like Asda, Superdrug, Boots, and so on along if you're nervous of the less well known names. This website lists GPhC registered pharmacies with their current price lists: https://monj.co.uk/

I wish it had worked for me. Made me very sick and I eat more when I'm feeling sick. I'm also a comfort eater so it isn't about hunger for me.

@HCHQ
Asda is not one of the cheapest suppliers at the moment, if you go to

https://monj.co.uk/discount-mounjaro-price-list/

as also posted above by silenceinside and click on the mg pen you need at the top of the chart, The suppliers will be listed cheapest to most expensive from top to bottom. Codes used for the prices are included to the far right of the chart

@dreamerz actually there is zero evidence that option c is effective n any way shape or form for people with chronic obesity. Just because you wish to treat obesity as a moral failing doesn’t make it so.

It's fascinating how many people seem to really want WLI to fail. As if there shouldn't be an easy (easier) solution to us big horrible lazy fatties losing weight, we should really suffer for that loss. I've never been a smoker but can't imagine going to a thread on the new pills to stop smoking and telling people they should just quit instead. Fucking brilliant for them if that helps as much as the WLI do and fucking brilliant for all of us if pressures on the NHS are hugely reduced by both.
I'm only a month in but its a game changer for me so far. The food noise going away is mindblowing. I feel like I understand how those people who just take one biscuit in the office think now - they're genuinely happy with that treat and their brains aren't screaming at them to eat all the biscuits without anyone knowing.

They’re ghoulish soulless bitter people who gain their (temporary) joy from judging other people and hoping they suffer.

There are people taking MJ who would not qualify under the ‘BMI rules’. There seem to be people in other chat groups who want to or who are taking MJ as they want to fit into that size 8 or 10 dress for the Christmas party and are in the healthy BMI range but just want to be slimmer. I have read how they will have to get hold of it from different sources as they likes of Boots \ Lloyds etc will not approve them.

Maybe there will be a growth in eating disorders. Maybe there will issues with those who obtain the drug from ‘non-standard’ sources and who don’t really know what they are injecting

They're good and I'm on them.

Can't help thinking prevention would be better though.

It's not just the jabs, it's the protein shakes and vitamins and stool softeners and fibre capsules and blah blah. There's a lot of money to be made from getting people fat and then thin and then fat and then thin.

Or maybe they are people like me who desperately hope they don't cause harm and are keen to try them once they are comfortable with the risks but are also acutely aware of how devastating medication side effects can be on health and therefore feel quite cautious about them and wary of the difficulty in having any kind of nuanced discussion with people

Did you read PinkArt’s post? Do you want WLI to fail?

Yes I read it. No i don't. But it doesn't mean we can't have a nuanced conversation.

For the avoidance of doubt - steroids rapidly made me very fat. I am actually quite keen to try MJ. It seems quite fair for tablets to help and there is no moral judgement at all from me

But I have experienced desperately ill health (huge weight gain included) as a result of medication side effects and I desperately wish doctors had warned me more clearly and monitored me much more carefully

Of course but you can’t have a nuanced conversation with people who hope they fail, which is who I was addressing.

But people saying they carry risks aren't "hoping they fail"