Mounjaro July 2024 - continued

[Lumirubin]

The first thread was almost full, so I thought I'd start a second so we can carry on the fab support!
I don't think I could manage tagging everyone!! But here is the link to the first thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/weight-loss-injections/5101435-mounjaro-july-2024?page=1

A whole 0.4lb off for me this week, so I've not even managed to lose last week's gain. I won't lie, I feel pretty flat this morning after seeing the scales.

Attitudes to weight across MN are quite terrifying and I really recognise a lot of disordered thinking around food across the whole site. Some of posts on weight loss threads are identical to pro-ana sites, with extreme calorie restriction and/or insane fasting periods and it gives you a window into how badly our culture has fucked up women's feelings about their bodies and appetites.

The injections have sparked off a wave of panic - from the people who just love to feel superior to fatties and are afraid that the playing field might get levelled, to those in turmoil because of all the pain and suffering they've experienced because they thought that was how things had to be lashing out in anger at anyone who they perceive as having an easier ride. There is almost no understanding of how the injections work, what the effects are like, even how much they cost or how they're prescribed - the ignorance is widespread and yet doesn't stop anyone judging with total confidence in their own authority to do so.

And we're all constantly hammered by the cognitive dissonance of a world telling us weight loss is simple - CICO, eat less move more - and that the 95+% failure rate of diets is actually our failure, down to our own individual inadequacy and inability to do something so obvious and straightforward. That trains everyone to believe that overweight people must be stupid and lazy, and to turn our anger and frustration onto fat people/ourselves rather than realising there is something wrong with the system.

But mostly, I think the people who go online to insist that obese people are a ruinous drain on society and must stop being obese immediately are secretly very afraid that one day something will actually work - like maybe these injections - because they love complaining about fat people and would actually be devastated if there weren't as many anymore!

I'm especially grumpy this morning because I'm really missing my exercise routine - not being able to do it is making me realise how much it was helping my wellbeing - and while thankfully the vomiting and diarrhoea has stopped, I have pretty much total appetite suppression and can only eat a few crackers and maybe an apple so I feel like absolute shit and also I now have my period so cramps, misery, probably more gastro stuff to come plus the usual weight gain imminent which I know is hormonal but still bothers me every month.

I will be due the next injection tomorrow but don't want to take it until some of this suppression wears off. How long can I delay it - is it three days, and then I'd have to skip the dose if I don't take it then? My usual day is Sunday so I'm thinking maybe I could do 30 clicks of the 5mg pen to get a 2.5mg dose on Wednesday and then just stick to Wednesdays from then on. Either that, or I'll skip the dose entirely and do 2.5mg next Sunday, I'm not sure.

Are any clothes fitting better? It's dispiriting when the numbers don't move, but can be cheering to get a NSV and see that it's working even if the scales don't say so.

Sorry to see some of you are having a rough time 😞

I did four doses of 2.5 with no issues and great suppression. Just felt cold on jab day.

But then came the bonus dose of 3mg and bam, awful diarrhea. So I've never made it to 5mg.

My 5th dose of 3.75mg was less effective so I thought it might be time to increase, but I took 3.75 from a fresh new pen this week and it's all good again.

No diarrhea but actually it would be welcome right now as am completely bunged up!

Haven't weighed for 2 weeks due to period bloat and now constipation, there's no point.

But I can feel that I've lost more so I'm not bothered about the scales, no point in seeing the inevitable gain from hormones and 💩 will wait for it to settle.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Great post, @WeepingInASunlitRoom , can't agree more. The recent extreme fasting thread is a very good example of some close-to-the-bone-pro-ana stuff.

I grew up watching my mother veer from anorexic to bulemic to bingeing and back again. She had a sleeve fitted at one stage, I think - it was temporary and did a number on her ability to function normally but it took ages to get it removed. She's always commented on my weight growing up, and I've worked really hard not to pass that on to my own children, with varying degrees of success.

I'm fascinated with the more recent understanding of insulin resistance and how weight loss isn't simple at all. There was a study done on a generation of people born straight after WW2, over in Holland I believe. They were in utero whilst the country was occupied, and their mothers were essentially starving whilst pregnant. Those babies were born in famine conditions, and as adults they were much heavier than peers a bit older/younger than them - because their bodies were primed to exist in a world with little food, so they held onto any extra calories by default. Our bodies' responses to food is much, much more complicated than calories in/out. And that's just one example!

Yes, somewhat. I know that weight loss isn't linear and I also know that the amount of exercise I'm doing may be having an impact on water weight, but who knows - it doesn't stop me feeling a bit "meh" However, my NSV is making good progress in the gym, doing my first barbell squats yesterday, and having my PT point out the definition in my quads that's starting to peep through. So I'll take that and give my head a good wobble about the scales!

I have two family members who experienced serious food shortage in their lives @KeepinOn and in later years were very compulsive about food - hoarding it, feeding guests excessively, being extremely focused on food all the time, thinking about it, planning it and both were significantly overweight and I remember it always being the case that everyone would say - they can't forget what it was like to be hungry. It was just accepted that their bodies were compensating and that hunger and restriction had left its mark physically and emotionally. And I really wonder how many women who have lived through the diet culture of the 80s/90s and tried to live off cabbage soup or cigarettes or be heroin chic or now moved onto intense fasting regimes are in the same physiological and mental state? Your body doesn't know if it's imposed rationing or external food shortages as opposed to an insane diet you read in Cosmo and thought you had to do. Repeat that enough times in your life and I feel like it's no wonder I ended up bingeing.

It's very hard not to pass it onto your kids. My mum was extremely disciplined and there was a lot of disapproval of snacking in my house and I learned early on to be ashamed of wanting to eat. She definitely thought she was doing the right thing, it's all any of us can do.

That sounds like a great victory! I suddenly realised how much stronger my core was going back to an abs exercise with my PT and it felt great to realise that progress had taken place without me noticing!

@WeepingInASunlitRoom im in a similar position with it being injection day and not wanting to inject. Today is day 4 of diarrhoea for me l, woke me up at 6am just to let me know it was going to be another day of camping close to the loo! Thankfully I’m not at work today. Even if this isn’t injection related (also got conjunctivitis now so I’ve probably got a virus on board) I’m not risking it by adding more MJ to the mix. Im working Monday Tuesday so my plan is to delay injection to Monday hoping any side effects won’t take hold properly until the Wednesday. May also take 5mg instead of the 7.5mg I’ve got. Feeling pretty disheartened with the side effects at the moment.

But focusing on the positive

SW 18st 1lb
CW 15st 1lb
GW 13st

So the awful bottom has given me a little whoosh this week and I’ve hit my 3 stone lost milestone. Im SO tantilisingly close to seeing 14 on the scales which feels like a huge thing!

Sounds really rough @Lumirubin - I hope a couple of days delay mitigates the effects for us both. I had the same starting weight as you and am yearning to see 15 which isn't too far off now. Getting into the 14s sounds amazing, I'm hoping to be there before Christmas.

Hope you both feel better soon!

I'm really sorry @Lumirubin but massive congratulations on hitting that milestone! Fingers crossed today is a better day for you x

@WeepingInASunlitRoom im sure you will be there by Christmas :)

thanks @NewLifter. I’ve been fine since the 6am incident so hoping it’s finally passed!

thanks @MounjaroMunchie never lost more than 2.5 stone on a diet before so feeling pretty good. Although I’ve also never started a diet from as bad as I’d let myself get either!! So swings and round abouts I guess!

Sorry it seems to have been a rough week for some - hoping that these side effects will settle down soon for you.

Well I have just completed Week 10 and a small loss this week. At the start of the week I wondered if I would managed to lose weight, as I had an exam on Tuesday and two big events, so I am really pleased to have lost anything. I have been very fortunate my appetite suppression is still reasonably good on 5.0mg and my side effects are virtually zero (just waking up to a sandpaper mouth and a little constipation).

Week 1 loss 1.6kg
Week 2 loss 1.1kg
Week 3 loss 1.2kg
Week 4 loss 1.4kg
Total loss on 2.5mg = 5.3kg

Week 5 loss 0.8kg
Week 6 loss 0.9kg
Week 7 loss 0.6kg
Week 8 loss 0.7kg
Week 9 loss 0.9kg
Week 10 loss 0.4kg
Total loss on 5.0mg = 4.3kg

Total weight loss = 9.6kg (or just over 21lbs).

So just 0.4kg to my first mini goal of losing 10kg.

WeepingInASunlitRoom - I agree there are so many people who have quite problematic thinking around food. Mounjaro has allowed me to consider, and hopefully begin to get a grip, on my own. However, I don’t understand why some people are so judgmental.

KeepinOn - My Mother has also been a point of tension over the years with her comments on my weight. Fortunately we don’t live in the same country! Which is sad, really, because on virtually everything else she is so supportive and kind.

MounjaroMunchie - Great table very impressed!

Lumirubin - Congrats on reaching the three stone milestone! Hope you feel better soon.

It is lovely to read everyone’s comments on this thread, it really helps to motivates me. Hope everyone has a good weekend!

Can't beat a good spreadsheet @LittleLlama 😂

Very slow losing. Completed a 2.5 pen and a 5 pen. Just taken 7.5 first dose. I have felt a bit travel sick throughout but if I can lose this weight it will be worth it. I have underactive thyroid and ibs so expect to be tired tomoz but then hopefully OK. No appetite till day 6. Hoping I will start losing more now I am at this dose. Anyone else at this point?

Well done on your loss! Hope ur tummy settles. X

Just gone up to my first 7.5mg pen. I have decided to do 48 clicks to have a first dose of 6mg as I would rather titrate up slowly. I have not had any side effects (except a 12 hour on an upset tummy on week 3) and I don't want to start now. I am still taking each dose every 6 days rather than 7 to keep the suppression up.

First 7.5 jab this morning, feeling OK, teeny bit of nausea and have had the trots but it's also the first day of my period and I usually feel like this. Horrendous period pain and javelin arse so not feeling like eating, again, pretty normal for me on the first day of my period. Hopefully will get the full effect over the next day or so

@Mounjaroooooh laughing at javelin arse 😂 man I can relate! Day 1 of my period has been so much worse on MJ for some reason!
I haven't injected yet even though due yesterday. Going to see how I feel tomorrow. I'm wondering if I'd be better suited to small doses 4 days apart rather than a big one once a week. Going to speak to voy about it I think

Thank you so much. You’ve made me feel slightly less of a freak!

I’ve always thought my self esteem was good, other than the body issues but maybe it’s deeper rooted than I thought.
On the face of it I’m highly successful in my job (shit hot in fact😃 ), financially comfortable, rock solid marriage, small but supportive group of friends and so on but……..
I’ve never really had my parents approval which I think is a huge thing. My weight has always been a disappointment to them. No amount of straights As academically or massive career achievements have ever generated much enthusiasm. I suspect my childless state is also a letdown to them. My husband and I made the decision not to discuss it with anyone and we’ve stuck to it (we simply didn’t manage to conceive and decided that we wouldn’t investigate further as it would place a huge burden on one of us) but both mothers have definitely held me “responsible” for the failure to produce a grandchild.

So maybe I’m fixating on my weight when there are other things I haven’t really resolved and I need to relax more about the whole thing.

You would think by mid 50s I’d have my act together mentally - maybe we never reach a perfect state after all 😊

Im also finding some of the recent research into weight loss and lifelong overweight conditions very interesting. I was overweight from birth , born in the late 60s to a mum who was never more than a size 8 (a 60s size 8 too!}, ate very little and smoked and a much loved grandmother who had worked multiple jobs during the war to feed her children, dealt with rationing and ate like a sparrow because any more was “not fair to people who don’t have as much food as we do”. I wonder if most of us here probably have factors that we haven’t really thought about. Thought provoking!

The JA has been horrendous this time around and I'm getting a period fortnightly...don't know if this is natural or MJ related. I'm 50 now and just want it to fuck off!

My tum has been ok since this morning, just had something to eat, decent bowl of pasta, expected to feel full at the end of it but don't 🤔.

I don't blame you for not injecting, hopefully though it was a one off and the 7.5 doesn't upset you too much

@Mounjarorookie I am thinking about all this stuff a lot, possibly because I don't have food as a distraction or numbing mechanism. The thoughts surface and I can't eat them!

Well, I've been back and forwards to the toilet since midnight, horrendous stomach pains, the runs and I feel really, really sick...haven't actually been sick yet though, this is not period related, that usually only lasts a few hours on the first day.

Decided to work from home today, our toilets at work are not conducive to stomach upsets, plus I'd have to be up in 2.5 hours and I feel like a zombie 🧟‍♀️