Sure teacher is lying, but can't prove it

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My 12 year old son received a detention (c2) for talking in class. He is usually as good as gold and gets great feedback, so this was very unusual. He said he got this with no verbal warning or c1, which is the procedure they're supposed to follow. He said she shouted c2 whilst pointing at him from across the room.
I challenged the procedure not being followed. The teacher emailed me in response with a completely different version of events. She said he'd had several warnings, then. C1 from her, then a c2 from the librarian! My son has admitted he was talking too much, but is adamant her version was no where near the truth. He even checked with one of the kids after the fact, who agreed.
I know when my kid lies. He goes bright red and its so obvious atm. I know he's telling the truth, and I'm disgusted how he's been treated. I think she just lost her temper and knows she did wrong. The detention itself was very short and never recorded in the system. He said she just said as this is your first strike and you're usually so good let's let this one go.

So I emailed back expressing i understood his talking was unacceptable, however I was very concerned about the difference in recalling events. She's doubled down and said her report is accurate.

Do I let this one go, or not? My gut is telling me she's definitely lying, but I don't know what to do or its worth pursuing further.

This cannot be real.

Even if he's not lying, he admitted to be talking too much.

Teachers are only human. She may have mixed up your child's incident with another incident that day, mistakes happen.

I mentioned he has already admitted he was talking and I agree he should have been reprimanded. We've given him a right telling off at home about respect and making the right choices. That's not the issue.

What I am questioning is the fact he was given a detention without the previous 2 warning steps, and the fact that the teacher is lying about who gave the actual detention.

The c2 is a detention. The c1 that should have followed before which she said she gave, is a deduction of house points. This wasn't in the bromcom system and should be.

Half the class saw and heard what happened.

You’re embarrassing yourself.
Let it go.

2 warnings? He shouldn’t need one!

This.

It's a detention not a permanent criminal conviction....

Is it really worth fighting this?!

Teachers have enough shite to deal with without this. Let it go.

So your son who you describe as "good as gold" admits to talking too much.
I'm guessing as he is 12 he is Year 7 - well lots of well behaved primary school children change when they get into secondary school.

You know "in your gut" he is not lying because he normally goes red when lying (how would you know this when he is usually good as gold?) and his story is backed up by his mate.

He has a short non-recorded detention but you are still not happy.
What exactly would you like to happen?

Stop being THAT parent and tell your son to stop talking and show some respect. You are completely undermining the teacher - no wonder so many are leaving the profession.

You've made your point to the teacher about the process being followed. He was talking. He's been pulled up for it.

Move on.

This is definitely a case of don’t sweat the small stuff

For goodness sake. Your son admits he was talking so let him take the punishment.

Maybe the teacher was so sick of him talking when he shouldn’t that she messed up the procedure.
How about tell your precious child that if he doesn’t want a detention, he shouldn’t talk in class.

Your son talking too much in lessons is fcuking with every other kid in the class's lesson.

He was talking. He was disrupting a class. He got a short detention and a positive comment from the teacher on his usual good behaviour.

why on earth do you want to escalate this? Are you wanting her to ‘admit’ to lying? What would happen then? Would you expect her to be dismissed? Are you wanting her to apologise to your son?

You’re worried that the correct steps weren’t taken? 🤦‍♀️. How about the fact the at your son didn’t follow the correct steps by not talking! And by the way - all children lie!! And even if you are right and the teacher didn’t give the two warnings and ‘lost her temper’ how annoying and disruptive do you imagine your son was being for that to happen? If every child in a class of 30 is allowed two warnings before they are punished that’s a hell of a lot of disruption each lesson.

Your son needs to stop talking in class and respect his teacher. You need to realise that your son isn’t ‘as good as gold’ and back the teacher. Their job is hard enough!!!

It is just a detention. Why else would she have done it? Teachers don’t lie and pick on kids

In the words of the late Queen, recollections may vary. Of course your kids mates are going to have same version as him. There are bigger battles.
what are you actually wanting out of this? What is your actual want out of this fight with the teacher?
Do you realise how hard it is being a teacher? How many things they are watching and monitoring while trying to teach? Tell your kid to stop talking the first time he’s told.

Loads of kids claim they never got the warning. Most are lying. Some don’t hear the warning cos they were too busy talking!

Take it to the news the papers also report it to the police.

Your going to raise a child that will think they can get away with anything.

I can't imagine being this invested in my 12 year old DC's classroom management. He was talking, he got a detention. Tell him to suck it up and leave the teacher alone.

Why are you involved at all in this way at secondary school? Leave your son to work out for himself that there’s consequences to his actions, unless it’s a more serious matter then the school will contact you.

You know so much
but
you weren’t actually there, were you?
Accept that children lie especially to their parents mothers, that it’s your role to make him grow up and face the consequences of his actions. He’s admitted he talked. Two members of staff were involved. How much more proof do you want and why are you fighting his battles?

Newspaper sad face picture?

Tell your chatty kid to shut up and do the detention?

The teacher has probably now had to spend longer on this than the length of the detention your kid got.

You are not sending the right message. As soon as he said he was talking, your answer should have been ‘well you got the right outcome then, however it transpired’

Half the class saw and heard what happened.

So your son's actions disturbed half the class. Perhaps focus on that?

All those children who knew what had happened and yet, in an age group that is generally keen on "fairness" no one spoke up to point out that your son shouldn't have got a detention. I wonder why that was?