What do you think of tarot readings and psychic mediums?

[T1mom]

What do you think of Tarot card readings and similar?

I went to a 'psychic medium' yesterday who was highly recommended by close people I know.

I'm not sure if they were tarot cards or another type of cards. I picked 8 cards, she talked through them. They had relevance to my life but I am skeptical and think that any card could have been twisted to fit my life. She asked a lot of leading questions and I feel like I filled a lot of gaps for her.

My DH saw her separately and thought she was brilliant and bought every word she said. Thought she knew a lot about his life and past and believes every word she said about his future.

What do you think? I'm intrigued because so many friends have totally bought into it.

What you have written is not the truth and it is not on topic btw.
The links were fine that I linked to in this thread. In the previous post you refer I hardly linked to sources you suggested..

I would like to explore more why you think whatever spirt you believe is true, that you do not believe in other spirits, yet you plainly do believe in other spirits because you think they are trying to deceive/trick you.

And this is on subject, because mediums say they use spirits.

Have you thought about this line in the Lords prayer ?

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (KJV)

See there, it is supposed to be a God you are asking not to tempt you into evil. Logically then, it is this God that is doing the tempting to do evil?

But that is the King James Version. The Litteral standard version says this -

Mat 6:13 And may You not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil [one], because Yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory--for all ages. Amen. (LSV)

That is a bit different. This time it is say may you not tempt us, but keep us from the evil one. See the difference there. The fist is implying that this God is the source of evil. The second now has an evil one ?

What one is it. One God doing all, or a God and an evil one ?

It matters on this thread, because it has been suggested that mediums and Tarot folk are under the control of this evil one.

Let me spell it out. The website you keep linking is a massive media organisation, Charisma Media. Its huge profits derive from monetising Christianity to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, and its founder and CEO, Stephen Strang, is a Trump supporter who holds some profoundly unpleasant, conservative views. He also believed that ‘divine prophecy’ foretold that Donald Trump would be re-elected in 2020, and refused to climb down until Congress ratified the election. Which means, awkwardly, that the Holy Spirit got it wrong.

The information that they wrote about was standard and also accurate to the two links I read that I posted again today. What they wrote about was in line with scripture which is the most important thing.

Btw, It seems you have looked over or seen some of my posts. I cannot do that about you as I am not a premium member. Here it would be helpful to know the views of someone who is personally replying to me.

One could be a witch and some may hate the Christian faith and flame every time they see posts on it etc.

It would be better if you discussed about the nature of the thread or the gifts of the Holy Spirit and not about myself.

I am not a premium member. I don’t have access to any more Mn resources than you do. I have not even searched you, far less reread any of your posts. I remember your username and your confused and naive style of posting about being ‘given gifts’ and healing from another long running thread on another Mn sub forum. There, from what I remember, you were randomly linking to a different, equally dubious, global ‘prosperity gospel’ mega-pastor. It’s clear your religion is based in large part on random googling without thinking about where you’re getting your information from. What would Jesus, who threw the moneylenders out of the Temple and thought that divesting yourself of your wealth was to first step to following him, think of these global superstar ‘pastors’ turning the gospel into Maseratis and mansions, while actively espousing utterly repellent views and actively associating themselves with the Trump White House?

I got my faith before the days of the internet and was baptised long before this to. You are very wrong here.. I was schooled in a credible faith school, but developed my faith myself alone at 16 with the Bible alone. My faith is not dependent on what people write on the internet. I don't get into not fruitful debates online.

As for Joseph Prince, that was one link and not many as you seemed to claim. This was posted for a reason to try and uncover different thoughts about Acts 5. I won't discuss on this further because it is not worthwhile.
The information that was posted on this thread today was accurate by scripture. Read them and determine yourself may be.

Oh, I can tell you that website is very, very, very dubious indeed. It doesn't represent mainstream historic Christian thought, and is basically a very extreme form of specifically-American hardcore conservativism with some supernatural woo thrown in for good measure.

GentleSheep has already replied to you that it is in not in line with my faith and they have provided you with scripture as to why. The Bible also states to stay away from deceiving spirits.

Some more

(Leviticus 19:31)
“ Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.”

(1 Timothy 4:1)
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

Btw, with the Holy Spirit gifts it is determined when to be used by God alone,

Temptation is out there for every human being and a Christian needs to know how to deal with it. There are ways to try and deal with temptation. Life can have afflictions and tests. As human beings we may encounter this. This is normal. Perhaps this answers what you were asking.

Joseph Prince was the gift that kept giving! He’s just another example of your Google-based approach. I notice you don’t answer my question about what Jesus is likely to think of any of these rich woo peddlers who are happy to associate themselves with repulsive politics?

I think that the actual content was good what they wrote. I have seen some of their other posts and wouldn't open them. They knew what they was writing about in this post on this subject.
However, if you want to find out more on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and are interested then search yourself for what you think is a credible source. There is enough information out there.

That was nowhere near answering my question.

Could you state your question again.

I strongly suspect I know more about the gifts of the spirit than you do, having been a Christian for many years, and subsequently having got out of high-demand, high-control religion.

The short answer is it's all in your head, and these "gifts" are frequently abused by unscrupulous people who are always suspiciously rich.

About claiming to know more than others I will side step that.
I have already stated that people may try to abuse others under work with the Holy Spirit's name. It can be used in the spirit it was intended to be used as well. It is certainly not in head when used appropriately.

I beg to differ.

This is a form of faith that is abusive and harmful by its very nature. I've seen many people get very seriously messed up by it.

I know how the faith can be abused. People should not be abused if they have been. I wrote something recently on this nature.
Our experiences have been different.

I suspect they've actually been very similar, and that you haven't worked it out yet.

As for Joseph Prince I saw him doing one sermon on a SKY religious channel. I thought what he said was very good and was what I needed to hear. I looked him up online and didn't see anything.
I wanted to know his views about Acts 5 and found some information later. I thought that they wrote was interesting. Somebody then looked into his website and said he was a con artist. They asked me to determine from one online page his financial status which was not possible to do. You need a proper fraud investigation for that.
There are ministers today who get an income from the church of england and some get a place to live. Some ministers do not have a salary. I think that those who are doing the job can find ways to support it. The faith though is not usually one to get rich from. You need to be true to the Bible. Some people who have a faith have had good fortune and can be generous with their money such as Katherine Drexel and they can use their money to support the church.
I saw another one of Joseph Prince sermons and liked that less. Talk about how God can give you wages and they seemed to be doing it on purpose to be somewhat contentious.

I made an appointment to see a psychic once, she cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances!

I have never been abused by a church that I have attended in the UK. I have had an history of having an eating disorder in my past and mainly anorexia. At times people I knew were desperate to look for a cure they would be frauded by some people to cure it. Also, some of their views were not very compassionate at that time. These peoples views were their own views and they were not using the Bible as they ought to.
My own journey walk with my faith has been very important and the actions of others has no bearing on the relationship that I have with my faith. They are outside of that. People can treat people badly but the faith is not owned by them. When Justin Webly stepped down he said we should remain focused on Christ alone and not on any man.

The gospel coalition website is a source that was recommended to me by an Anglican ordained minister. as a sound place to use.
They have an article on the gifts of the holy spirit if anybody is interested to learn more on this.

I did like the my charisma write up on the gift of prophecy explaining well by experience how this gift is different today than it was in the OT times.

www.thegospelcoalition.org/essay/the-gifts-of-the-spirit/

Yes, unfortunately that strikes me as probably right. @Justmerach is clearly vulnerable.

This is really not your business if not talked about by someone else. I don't appreciate it. You have been wrong many times. I have a good experience of the church today.

Quote : "I wanted to know his views about Acts 5"

Yes, that was me on another thread that was asking you about acts 5. Ananias and Sapphira. This is a classic case, I find, of Christians not being able to read their own book and explain what a story means. Because the obvious answer to what the story means goes against what they want their religion to be.

It's a "does not compute" thing. Indeed, when I explored that story I was a Christian. A few months later, I was not.

And boy oh boy. Once the shackles of religion are broken, what joy.

Anyway, on thread. I asked you something about the Lords prayer with details that make it relevant to this thread. You answered with a bit of * proselytizing, I asked if you could answer, and you replied -"Could you state your question again*."

Nah.

The mental gymnastics people have to do over religion amazes me these days. At least mediums and Tarot folk do have the option of making it up as they go along.

And yet, in my utter wrongness, I know far more about the Bible and the foundations of Christianity than you do, based on the thread @RedTagAlan references, and your invariably confused, Google-based responses to direct questions.