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The paranormal

Anyone else like a mystery?

291 replies

EverythingIsAwesome · 22/09/2014 18:00

The case of Elisa Lam fascinates me.

vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mysterious-case-elisa-lam/

The poor girl obviously went through "something" before her death. She was found in the rooftop water tank above a LA hotel. Her clothes were never found, the CCTV is creepy and her family will likely never have the answers :(

What do you make of it? Any mysteries that also fascinate you?

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jammytoast · 24/09/2014 18:54

I have been reading some of the Sodder Family threads on WS. So sad.

Wiki was leaning towards them not being in the house I thought, but on more reading I think they were. The really maddening and heartbreaking element I feel is that these children were murdered and it seems to me like the fire chief was complicit. Those parents died still searching for their children because the authorities botched the investigation.

AgentZigzag · 24/09/2014 19:11

Thanks for the links (yeah, thanks for helping me procrastinate when I should be working Grin)

There's definitely more to the death of Gareth Williams who was found dead in 2010 in a zipped up bag in his bath.

Lots of things just don't add up.

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 24/09/2014 19:22

Beaver - Zodiac is a mystery I have a lot of info on, as my grandmother was related to one of the Zodiac victims. My family have long held a belief as to who Zodiac was, but no-one holds out hope it will ever be solved.

It's this Zodiac connection that sparked my interest in mysteries, because it is openly talked about in our family, and my fascination grew from just this case to many others.

eddielizzard · 24/09/2014 19:23

the weird thing about that elisa lam video is that the windows in the background for most of the video are dark - it's night outside. but right at the end they're bright orange.

PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 24/09/2014 19:45

Eddie - that's a wall, and the reason it changes colour is because the lift moves to another level!

EverythingIsAwesome · 24/09/2014 19:59

Ohhh Tess, are you allowed to talk about your theory? I am sorry that your family were affected :(

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VivaLeBeaver · 24/09/2014 20:03

Tess, I would love to hear any theories. I've read some books and watched the film and heard a few different theories.

ValerieTheVodkaFairy · 24/09/2014 20:31

The Girl Scout murders is a really odd (and quite upsetting) one. Someone was jailed for it, but there is a big question mark over whether he was the right guy. Some of the alternative theories are very strange

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 24/09/2014 20:38

My family believe it was Richard Gaikowski, who was briefly looked at as a suspect in 1986, but it never went any further. This was obviously not in the public domain at the time.

However, there is a website dedicated to solving the Zodiac Killer case (zodiackiller.com), and they were contacted by an informant in 2008 who gave them Gaikowski's name. As a result, the website started looking into him, and received lots of information from members of the public. The information they received including photographs of him from the time of the killings, samples of his handwriting and audio files of him speaking.

The first thing that's obvious, from looking from photos, is just how much the artist impressions of Zodiac (taken from witness statements) resemble Gaikowski.

The website arranged a meeting with Nancy Slover, the police dispatcher who spoke to Zodiac after the Blue Rock Springs attack, and she identified Gaikowski's voice as the one she heard in July 1969.

Carol Stine, the wife of victim Paul Stine, recognized Gaikowski as having attended her husband's funeral.

Furthermore when the Department of Justice Questioned Documents division looked at Gaikowski's handwriting, back in 1986, they found strong consistencies with Zodiac's writing. This alone though wasn't enough to make him a prime suspect.

To those in my family however, Gaikowski was a suspect even BEFORE all this, and in fact it was a member of my family who first urged police in Napa County to look into him.

The victim my grandmother was related to, once moved from CA to Albany, NY, and Gaikowski suddenly upped sticks from CA and moved to Albany just a few weeks later. While in Albany, he worked in the same building as the victim's then husband. Not long after she and her husband moved back to CA, Gaikowski then also relocated back to CA.

Now his name is in the public domain, and has been for many years, it's given my family the opportunity to talk openly about their long-held belief that Gaikowski was Zodiac.

VivaLeBeaver · 24/09/2014 21:00

I've heard his name mentioned before as the likely suspect. The photo fits look remarkably like him.

The code has never been cracked for definite has it? I'd love for it to be cracked to see what he wrote.

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 24/09/2014 21:35

There is one cipher that has still not been cracked, and of course that has led to many people believing, it could be the one that solves the mystery.

I am a keen puzzler, and codewords and cryptograms are the puzzles I'm best at, so even I've attempted to crack it. Not sure why I thought I would be able to do it, when expert code crackers haven't been able to!

DeadCert · 24/09/2014 21:42

Fascinating thread.

BehindLockNumberNine · 24/09/2014 22:15

Sorry, marking my place.

BamBam21 · 25/09/2014 01:08

Love this thread, but so sad too.

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about the case of Norma Howieson? She disappeared local to where I live in Fife in the 60s and my mum knew her well. Never any trace found, and even a Crimewatch appeal a few years ago yielded nothing.

So sad.

EverythingIsAwesome · 25/09/2014 03:39

Wow Tess, I am going to have a good look at that website.

BamBam, Im not too far from Fife, but even googling that name, I cant find anything?

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EverythingIsAwesome · 25/09/2014 03:57

Bad idea being up at this time & reading about a serial killer! :(

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eddielizzard · 25/09/2014 07:10

ah thanks psammead - that explains it.

PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 25/09/2014 07:45

That's ok eddie - my heart skipped abeat when I rewatched the video to see what you meant! Then I thought 'oh yeah, it's a lift...' Grin

This thread is starting to get to me though - laid in bed last night worrying about my children. I think I'll skip any more links!

My heart goes out to all those people affected by these kind of stories. It's beyond sad.

ALMOSTMRSG · 25/09/2014 08:08

The murder of Alistair Wilson, shot on his door step 10 years ago. Very few clues and no motivates for the murder has very been revealed.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10344292/New-appeal-over-unsolved-murder-of-Nairn-banker.html

also what was in the envelope the murderer handed him and then took away.

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wantacatplease · 25/09/2014 09:32

Oh my Christ the Elisa Lam case had really gotten to me. Easily the most disturbing thing I've read online. Poor giel

wantacatplease · 25/09/2014 09:33

Poor girl...(really getting sick of the mobile site posting my post automatically before I'm finished writing/editing it!!!!)

Tenementfunster · 25/09/2014 09:38

Anyone know much about Ethel Nation? If I've got it right she abducted babies from the hospital she worked in and sold them on. Can't find much info about her, but basically there's lots of kids who found out that they had been stolen in the 1950's.

wantacatplease · 25/09/2014 09:41

My questions regarding the case are:

How did she come to be in such a notoriously bad part of LA to begin with? As a young, travelling student you'd think she'd be extra vigilant regarding personal safety, and in this
day and age there is plenty of access
access to information on safe places to stay.

Also I see that it was "thought" she had bi-polar...again if you're at risk of having episodes related to mental illness, why put yourself in such a vulnerable position? Her parents are suing the hotel so makes me think they don't accept the cause of her death on its own.

I really can't shake this story. Normally I can read this stuff and then forget about it but her story is just so sad. To be so alone... Sad

CatWomantotheRescue · 25/09/2014 09:54

The Elisa Lam story is getting to me, too, wantacat. From the video she looks more flirtatious and playful than scared. I think she's playing a game with someone she's attracted to... who later murdered her. I also wonder if that person had somehow tampered with the lift. I know it's possible to set up a lift to work via remote control and he would have had plenty of time to put it back the way it had been afterwards before her body was found.

It sounds like she couldn't have gotten into the water tank and closed the top of it by herself. Also, what happened to her clothes?

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