PR disasters thread 23

[BigWillyLittleTodger]

Let the games continue…….

I don't think there will be much more from this - it's not operation thaw. They want a big arrival with security and to show everyone that they're meeting with The King.

What they got was a short meeting with the King and Queen at a place of the King's choosing, and with conditions like no photos that restrict them. I suspect the BP media report was to stop Harry from doing a bigger one. It's a warning shot across his bow to say "don't leak - we know it's you".

Yes, there were other big news items that day, but it wasn't a big media deal, and every time they meet like that it will be a smaller deal. There wasn't even a photo of them arriving/leaving that I saw.
"Harry takes children to see dad privately for the third time" is pretty small news, even if H&M try and spin it as something bigger.

I would suspect if W&C meet it will be with lots of other family so they are protected and no one has to talk to them for long.

I do agree with you & I think there (as it seems at the moment H has not apologised one jot for the nonsense he spouted , for vast amounts of money ) about his father , his step mother , his brother , his SIL , his niece and his nephews , as well as the chaos he caused at the time of HLMTQ's death , and all the kerfuffle when the late DoE was very ill.

I agree that W may have to be polite and cordial at KC's funeral. And to be clear here I am not saying when that will be - to me KC seems in good spirits at the moment & no-one lives forever . But I think W will know that he cannot exclude his brother from KC's funeral. That would be a step too far. So H will get some some (albeit frosty ) cordiality and politeness then, but it may just be that's the last time. But at least once we will see some rather strained cordiality . I don't know , I'm not of that family.

I'm going to put a folding £10 note down ( which is a lot for me - I am not a betting woman ) that H&M are never going to be part of the WRF again.

And just to say , as a member of the general public , I'm disinclined to get over H&M's Netflix documentary where they implied the whole of the UK was racist with those stupid ENL whatever they were clips.Bugger off H - M was welcomed until she started with the loopiness.

FCDO change jobs every 2-3 years. It's a posts based career, like the army.

I've actually known someone like that- they went to court in the end.

Yes, me too! His reputation is in the gutter already, how on earth could it get any worse?!

@MargaretThursdayyou are right. H and M got some publicity from this because it was the first time in four years. I don’t know how you can make subsequent invitations to tea interesting. Perhaps now they will beg for an invitation to Sandringham or Balmoral, despite not being bothered before.
I can totally imagine them shipping the dcs to England to get them closer to their dgf.

In the same week as the meeting Harry disrespected the King's judge and court system, thus demonstrating how much of a liability he continues to be. They can't let him back in.

I don’t think William would tolerate a bully being brought back either, that would reflect terribly on the Palace

Totally this.

I stand by what I said earlier. I think divorce is imminent. Fair enough, Meg is not loyal to H but gurning at sick kids is very much her thing and she was absent.

RF would find a Middle aged divorced Harry very problematic. Drug addled public speaking to stay relevant, while living back in the UK

I don't know what H&M are worth - nobody apart from the pair of them do

But I guess people could make an estimate based on ( and these are off the top of my head , not comprehensive)

Money in

• H trust funds from his great grandmother and mother
• M's earnings (saved)
• Whatever the true total was from NF , Spotify , PRH and royalties
• Various speaking engagements in the early days
• Annual income from eg Better up
• Interest garnered from those amounts being sensiby invested.

Money out

• Capital on deposit for Montecito mansion
• Mortgage on Montecito Mansion
• Security costs
• Property taxes
• Income tax on one off large payments MF Spotify Penguin etc and other income
• Other upkeep costs on Montecito mansion.
• Staff costs

OK that's where I'd start to start build a spreadsheet for my income vs outgoings . Obviously in my case amounts are less glamorous eg groceries / direct debits / utility bills etc .

I'd be astonished if H&M have burnt through all the money they've been handed. Whether , given the NF new deal , and other contracts being cancelled they need to rein back on spending I don't know.

I think I read ( and this is a long time ago ) Jackie Onassis got 26m from her divorce from Ari Onassis and her partner turned that into approx 45m. If you have huge capital - you really shouldn't be running out of money in 6 years.

Let me be clear I am not an accountant but just an idea which I am happy to be proven wrong .

I actually think it’s really hard to predict what H and M will do next. They seem to live such chaotic lives. It must be exhausting.

I haven’t. The second line says ‘earned money from investments’, which will be subject to taxation.
In my original post I said how HAM needed an investment capital of around 300 million to generate 15+ million which after taxes would nett 6-7 million which is what they need simply to maintain security, local taxes, property taxes, household staff, gardeners, their ‘other’staff, Nannie’s, school costs etc.
They haven’t got anywhere near that andif they are as I suspect munching their way through capital in order to survive their income from said capital decreases year on year.
Plus he may be on the hook for £7million + for ANL legal fees.

Jacqueline Onassis did get 26 million from the estate of Ari Onassis.
Jackie was pretty comfortable by the time she got the settlement.
She already owned her apartment in NYC (which she bought in 1964] so didn’t need to buy anywhere.
She was worth over 100 million when she died 27 yrs later.
She had quite a lot of valuable art/objects d’art and jewellry.

She didn’t have security -she just got on with her life in New York. I would argue she was more famous than HAM.

As with The Duchess of Windsor and Princess Margaret there was a sale after her death. The auction raised nearly $35 million. Her 40th birthday present from Ari being the single most expensive item.
Ive been a tad obsessed with Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis since I was 16.
Ive got a copy of the auction catalogue.

I don’t. I believe that MM will have assessed the damage to the H&M ‘brand’ and their potential revenue streams.

She will conclude that PH’s reputation is fuxked - from a legal disclosure standpoint with ANL, Sentebale, US visa - compounded with his actual reactive aggression in public - she will be totting up the irreversible damage to her own earning potential.

She knows he is toast. Toast of Tinseltown. What she will do now is play nice, keep quiet and spend the next two years crawling up the arses of RF - doubt shes deluded enough or even wants to be WRF - but she will spend 2 years maxing out her royal adjacency. It wouldn’t surprise me if she even went as far as moving back to the UK to achieve her aims. She will throw everything at it - and then divorce him. She might even move here with him under false pretences - playing nice and demure - get him settled with his old mates and bedded into UK culture and then just fuck right off back to Cali and divorce him ‘out of the blue’.

I wouldn’t even be surprised if she left her DCs in the UK to be ‘educated’ (bit like Doria) so that they were fully royal washed - and then she could exploit that down the line from Cali like some weirdo stage mom manager!!

Shes plotting her exit and how she can monetise and rinse PH, royal adjacency the most - for her sole benefit post divorce in May 2028 - less than 2 years away.

And all because they didn't want to do the boring duties of royalty.

Meghan put the Frogmore cottage on credit card - I'm not sure how much she brought to the marriage.

(Yes I know using credit is savvy from a purchases pov, but it was made out that it couldn't be bought outright)

I’m not convinced they miss any of this though. I think they have everything they want in Montecito. The problem is they can’t afford the upkeep.

If they don't get a boost from the visit to KC, she will have to get a strategy in place. I think they might seek a small RF role (including kids). If not, she's gone

No don’t!

One can’t help but wonder! 🤔 we have the revelation about pressing white pills on unconsenting women! What next!

Does your mansion house need haunting?
then call “rentaghost “ , we have spooks and ghouls at “rentaghost “
let the phantom of the opera sing a haunting melody…..

And what does that cost?

Very reasonable! About 300 per house!

Very reasonable!

They will definitely not get a reputation boost from their KC3 meeting given their nonsense shenanigans this week and PH appalling attack on British judiciary system. They may well seek WRF role - PH will be up for it MM will pretend ahe is but will have her eyes on the prize (using it temporarily for her lucrative divorce disclosures) and on her upcoming exit. PH is buoyant because he got his DC to meet his Pa and come to the UK - but that won’t last when the ANL finances kicks in next few weeks and Sentebale turns him inside out in the coming months. She will want his emotional collapse on UK soil for his family to mop up and she will dip in and out or live here for the last two year of her marriage to max out royal adjacency and collect dirt for her memoirs. That’s her payday if PH has bankrupt them with ANL and Sentebale.

PH May also believe he needs to be in UK to drum up sponsorship for IG in the next 12 months as it’s on its knees financially. It will give him something to do.

I suspect he will enrol Archie at Lambrook so he can hang out with his cousins Louis and Charlotte.