So why is Harry safe but not Meghan and the kids?

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Sorry if this is obvious/already discussed.. I can’t find it.

Im just wondering why Harry can do these ‘engagements’ but his wife and kids can’t step in the country.

A pair who are full of shit?

it becomes vitriol when all common sense goes out the window. A child's hair being messy after playing is a normal part of childhood. Looking at a single photograph and treating that as evidence of poor parenting is a weak basis for criticism. Likewise, linen is well known for creasing. Commenting once that an outfit is wrinkled is one thing, but repeatedly mocking someone for wearing a fabric that naturally wrinkles is different.

When people ignore common sense and repeatedly pick apart ordinary, everyday things like these, it stops being fair criticism and starts becoming vitriol.

Especially when the same things are overlooked or excused in others, it suggests the criticism is less about the issue itself and more about the person

As you said @LipglossAndLies. It IS about the person as she is a hypocrite and a liar. People will pull her up. It's nothing to do with her colour.

I always hate the comments on here about celebrities. So much nastiness, particularly about personal appearances that can't be changed. I thought Harry was out of order at Prince Philip's funeral describing William's 'alarming baldness'. It was cruel and unnecessary ( particularly as now Prince Harry's hair is in the same state.
Citation - The Independent, 2023

You have taken that all the wrong way - what is being said is not many people, including me even knew she was a person of colour - more just a dark haired poss mediterranean person - so racism was not an issue. I think it came more from them later using it as a 'race card' when it suited them

Pull her up for what wearing linen and having a few creases in it? For her children running about playing and hair is a bit messy....? You think thats perfectly ok to pull her up on such trivial things that are just normal? Wow

Why are you mentioning colour, I haven't

I've never commented on the child's hair. Messy clothes on Meghan ? Yes that is understandable considering she flogs clothes as a side. That's part and parcel of that life. Colour? Yes I mentioned it because it's the reason that was quoted as their reason for leaving the UK and talked about on OW. Don't try to make me out to be some kind of objectionable person because I hold a different point of view from you.

Because he's a bit thick, OP

What? Groan at you? Don’t blame them 🙄

Can I just say Meghan got married, moved to a different country with a different culture she didn't understand, and had a child all within 2 years. Yes it was her choice but like many women before her, she didn't understand what marrying into the RF meant in terms of cultural differences, standards of behaviour, and being ripped apart in the media and on social media some of which was undeniably racist.

While I hold in utter contempt her behaviour by doing the interview with OW, and certain behaviour in other interviews, she has my sympathy for some of it. However since OW, and HW s Spare, I struggle to reconcile discussing your dirty laundry in public with attempts at presenting yourself as a professional businesswoman running professional charities.

H and M need to put up and shut up, stop complaining about royal protocol, and H needs to behave appropriately and then his father may decide he is trustworthy enough to reconcile and have a relationship with.

Family arguments, particularly in public, just cause angst and lead to division, anger and ultimately huge regret by the time you are in your mature years. It's far better to build bridges and accept we are all human, screw up, and to stop trying to point score in the media and think you hold the high ground. When you're dying, I suspect you won't be lying there thinking I wish I'd been nastier to my son/daughter in law/father etc . . ..

And just to add these type of divisions can carry on for generations.

yep, it was the comment that suggested that the Princess of Wales just went off to do the 3 peaks with no security.

I never said you made those comments, so I'm not sure why you've interpreted it that way. My comment was a general one about how, when people start nitpicking trivial, normal things, it crosses the line into vitriol. You chose to respond to my comment by saying it is about her as a person and Meghan should be "pulled up" because she's a liar and a hypocrite. I then brought the discussion back to my original point by using examples of the sort of comments I was referring to. I never said those comments came from you.

Also, "flogs clothes" isn't really accurate. That phrase usually implies selling something aggressively or even illegally. She has a website with affiliate links where people can choose to buy items if they want. That's quite different.

As for the clothes, linen is one of the best fabrics to wear in hot weather because it's lightweight and breathable. It naturally creases when you sit down or move around. That's not the same as wearing messy clothes. Criticising someone for wearing a fabric that naturally wrinkles just seems like looking for something to complain about.

You also brought up them leaving the UK and the issue of skin colour, but my comment didn't mention either of those things. If you want to debate those topics, you'd be better off responding to the people who actually raised them, not me.

Finally, I'm not trying to make you out to be objectionable. I'm discussing the point you've made. Do you genuinely think a woman should be "pulled up" because her linen clothes have natural creases? Or that a parent should be criticised because a child has slightly messy hair after playing? Those are ordinary, everyday things. Once people start treating them as evidence of some character flaw, that's when it stops being fair criticism and starts becoming nitpicking and nasty.

Exactly.

I'm confused. I just don't see how creased linen and messy hair translates into needing armed security.

But then I'm a NYC resident who has watched a stabbing, fights, had someone try to mug me, all during rush hour trains in the past year. I feel that I am more at risk during my daily commute.

Unfortunately due to NY laws, I can't pack pepper spray let alone a gun.

So sorry, my heart does not bleed for the Sussexes.

Me too.

The original arguments stated on here by some were how about comments on here and people "frothing" about Meghan, Lilibet and Archie were no wonder they were so afraid to come to the UK and would need security and the worst we've been able to find is a few comments about unbrushed hair and crumpled clothes.

Hardly the sort of stuff to have you quaking in your boots.

Actuslly if you read my comment properly it was about this sort of nitpicking is vitriol in response to comments made by people saying that overall comments aren't. My point being when people start making comments aboit those trivial normal things it is.

I've read your post several times, and to me it doesn't make any sense

Do you think its okay to be nitpicking a woman over their child having slighlty messy hair after they have been running about?

Do you think its okay to nitpicking a woman because im got weather she wore linen clothes that naturally creases and say things like doesn't she own iron? Ignoring the fact thst the material naturally creases easily especially sitting down.

I'm sure even Meghan doesn't give a shit if someone thinks if she owns an iron or not

I was actually making a slightly different point, if you are referring to my post, that the more “noise” and on-line rhetoric circulating that is negative and hateful, the more likely it is some wierdo decides to take it upon themselves to carry out some sort of awful attack; as with the Labour politician Jo Cox who was shot and stabbed by a Nazi-obsessed loner during the Brexit campaign in 2016. And Conservative , David Amess who was stabbed to death in 2021 by a man inspired by the militant group,

Even tonight there’s news of Ann Widdecombe being murdered although of course the motivation behind that is not yet known, the crime might not be connected to her former career or public profile.

And in Meghan and the dcs’ case, there is the potential threat of extreme right wing racists so I am not surmised that Harry is worried.

Charles has met MM and the grandchildren today
He's a very forgiving man; welcoming a woman who said family was racist and other accusations
But I suppose it's about seeing his grandchildren
Wonder when she's going to visit her own father

No that's not okay. But what is it with all the what aboutery when it comes to racism. What about this, what about that. It's exhausting.

A load of words from you but as usual no real substance.

Ignoring the questions I asked you...clearly not interested in having a discussion then.

Maybe someone might have thrown an iron at her?