So why is Harry safe but not Meghan and the kids?

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Sorry if this is obvious/already discussed.. I can’t find it.

Im just wondering why Harry can do these ‘engagements’ but his wife and kids can’t step in the country.

William and Kate met with Taylor Swift, the most famous woman in the world, without anyone having a clue.

Tom Holland and Zendaya got married a few weeks ago in complete secrecy.

It's actually quite easy for very famous people to do things privately. That's if they want to.

It's actually quite easy for very famous people to do things privately. That's if they want to.

Agree. But doing things in secret doesn't get you in the media or a new Netflix deal, does it?

There are a lot of reasons he would be a higher risk than just rich and famous people. Terrorist threat for one given his royal and military status, plus likely white supremacist groups viewing him as a race traitor. I dont think we always fully know what these threats are, because we arent meant to, but they absolutely exist. I agree that our intel doesn't seem to have assessed that threat as high enough to require the security he is demanding though. it is clear he does not trust the state to correctly judge the threat. I don't agree with his approach to everything but in his shoes yes I would worry about a lot about the safety of my family, more so than myself.

I would expect a different level of security for a children as well.

There are plenty of unhinged comments about them on MN alone. Just the other day there was a bizarre thread about their children not being real. Some thought they were dolls or actors? Very strange and I really wouldn't want people shouting that kind of nonsense at my children. Who would set their children up to be verbally abused?

There are a lot of reasons he would be a higher risk than just rich and famous people. Terrorist threat for one given his royal and military status, plus likely white supremacist groups viewing him as a race traitor

Good thing that he has a special arrangement with RAVEC whereby his security needs are kept under continual review and provided he cooperate, all necessary security will be provided.

Also, you don't know what threats people who are 'just rich and famous' face. Women in particular. Claire Foy had a stalker who made her life a misery had to be deported. Taylor Swift faces numerous serious threats. And other royals of a similar rank to Harry go about their day without any need for armed security.

it is clear he does not trust the state to correctly judge the threat. I don't agree with his approach to everything but in his shoes yes I would worry about a lot about the safety of my family, more so than myself.

Events of recent days have confirmed that Harry is not in possession of the greatest intellect and judgement. It's frankly irrelevant what he thinks.

If the assessments of some of the best security experts aren't to his liking, that's absolutely fine. There is no need for him to be in Britain and he and his family are very welcome to stay at home with their rent a guns in California. Or maybe Nigeria, Colombia or Ukraine.

If the kids was running around a public playground barefoot and in a nightgown, she would stand out. It is really unsafe to walk on US streets barefoot - sidewalk too hot in heat ( on the news they are teliing you to bootie your dogs) glass, animal feces, etc.

Also kids are wearing hats, sunscreen, and those sun- blocking t- shirts because of the extreme weather. We keep getting hit by heat-domes.

So yes, she'd stand out. Sorry.

Who pays for this security team in the US?

Armed close protection is not provided on the basis of 'unhinged comments' on a parenting forum.

And if he's so worried about the safety of his children, why the near daily leaks to the media about their travel plans? That would be the absolute last thing someone concerned about their family's safety would do. As I said above, it's perfectly possible for famous people to do things on the down low IF they want to.

The same threats are there towards all members of the extended ‘Royal’ family. They only get 24 hour protection when they are ‘working’. Meghan and Harry are free, they can do whatever they wish. Go where they want, wear what they want.
I think it is interesting that Kate wears very very dressy outfits when in public, often with a hat. When she is in civvies, climbing the three peaks, no one recognises her. When William and Kate and the children are not working, they are an ordinary family. Very rich but grounded. Kate sees lots of the Middletons. They love her and the children. They keep her grounded. She feels loved .
With Harry and Meghan, they don’t want to be Royal but they do want to be Royal, Disney Royal.
I ask again, has anyone really explained to Meghan that the way Harry is treated is the way all the Royals are treated. I really don’t think she understands. Why does she make such a big deal about being Royal and being a Duchess when she lives in a republic that does not recognise royalty. She and Harry can be free, anonymous and happy. They have no obligations. Every day is free and empty. No wet days in Middlesborough meeting patients at a new cancer unit. She is free. They have an idyllic life if the pictures are anything to go by. Enjoy your freedom and forget about being royal just as the other minor royals do.

It’s the daily mail that follow them around, not normal citizens. The gutter rag journalists shout disgusting comments and obscenities to get reactions from their targets; they’re gross. I’m sorry prince Harry and the others lost their case against the mail because it now thinks it’s a legitimate news outlet.

I don't disagree that his personal opinion isn't relevant, that's what ravec is for. I'm just pointing out that the reasons there may be specific threats to him and his family, for those who can't understand what they may be. He can disagree with the risk assessment if he wants, but ultimately cant change it. Famous and rich people have threat too which would be specific to their circumstances. To some people, he is a higher value target. To other people, someone else would be.

What "incidents", nothing has happened to him , it's just a poor me but obviously he wants to put them first, KC didn't visit him during his trip, it's all a bit sad.

So no different from other high profile private citizens then.

As I say, if it's not to his liking, best he stay at home. He won't be missed.

It came across as more of a dig to be honest. But I also wouldnt judge what they would dress their child in other circumstances, on the basis of a small number of photos from their own garden.

Most of it imaginary Or his ego

Why cant they just hire a couole of private security guards like normal rich
people who arent in the RF do?

Lots of ex armed response police do this kind of closelrotection work after retirement at 50 and lots of trained security do it on the side. Admitedly they might not have gun licences but is that really wildly necessary in this country?

I don't understand why she wants to come over, if she is going to stay private, then what is she upto? Why bother unless she is hatching a plan.. after all, he will be back soon enough anyway

If you're Harry & Meghan then they are necessary. They're miffed because they aren't considered important enough for top royal vip treatment. Thats the real reason for this fuss.

Just an excuse to be a couple of drama llamas 🙄

But less people have guns so risk is lower.

I've been around the Royal visits and they are pretty low key security wise. The US is definitely more of a threat as witnessed by so many high profile people shot despite high security.

I suspect Meghan wants to maintain the image of the UK as a racist country but the reality is she doesn't want to have a negative public reaction.

Can anyone tell me what kind of security they get in the states and who pays for it?

Its nothing to do with safety, it's all about attention. If they don't have armed guards surrounding them, they wonder the level of attention there Meghan so desperately craves.

The UK is becoming increasingly racist, and there is no doubt that if Megan was white there is no way she would have faced the same level of backlash. The class system is entrenched, and it entrenches racism too. Racism gives people on the bottom rungs someone to look down upon. Many in this country cannot stand the fact that a prince dared to marry someone they consider beneath even them.

This. People say all sorts of shit on message boards because they can. Because it's anonymous. It's very rare that it transpires to actual real life behaviour. I'm sure if RAVEC were to take a scroll through mumsnet on their lunch break they would see a forum where people have nightmares from their kids eating UPF food and a pathological fear of school mums and hen do, is very unlikely to the be the place where people who own and operate lethal weapons and the time and skills to plan an assassination attempt would be congregating.

Thankfully RAVEC have analysts who have access to sophisticated systems and real time intelligence and who are trained to quite a high degree to analyse and assess risk and put the necessary measures in place. And thankfully tax payers money is spent putting in place appropriate security based on these assessments rather than fully armed 24/7 security based on a few "unhinged comments" And it seems to have worked so far, Harrys made multiple trips to the UK and made it out on one piece.

The thing is his family are safe. It's his own paranoia that tells him otherwise.0

I used to notice that Republicans on MN were pro Harry and Meghan because they had turned their backs on royalty. However, as it became clear that they wanted to stay Disney Royal and that they would love to be the American Royal family, the republicans walked away. I remember when Trump was on about annexing Canada and some of the Sussex Squad saw Harry and Meghan as future King and Queen of Canada. Most republicans saw warning lights about the Sussex pair.
I saw Meghan correcting her friend who called her Markle. She explained that she is now the Duchess of Sussex. Meghan still wants to be royal but Disney Royal of the USA. That is very definitely not on offer.
It is a shame for Prince Harry. Like his mother, he is a natural Royal and really good with people. I don't think he wants to be Prince Harry of Disney Land. I think he would be good at opening a cancer unit in Middlesborough on a rainy February day. I don't think Meghan understood how dreary life is for a British Royal. She wants to be Disney Queen of California and for her children to be Disney Prince and Princess.