So why is Harry safe but not Meghan and the kids?

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Sorry if this is obvious/already discussed.. I can’t find it.

Im just wondering why Harry can do these ‘engagements’ but his wife and kids can’t step in the country.

I'm not sure what they get, they use their own team but it's paid for privately by Harry and Meghan themselves.

This. People say all sorts of shit on message boards because they can. Because it's anonymous. It's very rare that it transpires to actual real life behaviour. I'm sure if RAVEC were to take a scroll through mumsnet on their lunch break they would see a forum where people have nightmares from their kids eating UPF food and a pathological fear of school mums and hen do, is very unlikely to the be the place where people who own and operate lethal weapons and the time and skills to plan an assassination attempt would be congregating.

This gave me a laugh.

A forum where people get into lively debate about whether or not you should let builders use your toilet is hardly a den of terrorists!

The thing is his family are safe. It's his own paranoia that tells him otherwise

Honestly, I don't think he is paranoid. He and his wife regularly leave their kids to go on jollys on another continent. And as I said above, nobody paranoid about their family's safety would be leaking regular updates to the media.

It's bruised ego, not paranoia.

I've seen some pretty unhinged things said about Meghan and the children on the Internet, I'm not surprised he's concerned for their safety. Megan herself has said the level of hatred whipped up is frightening and she's had death threats. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been threats against the children too. There's all sorts of crazies out there - we've had 2 MPs killed in broad daylight! If I were them, I wouldn't travel without armed guards either.

The lack of understanding about how things work is striking. I’m pretty sure ‘the firm’ will have been giving them lessons from an early age, but Harry clearly wasn’t listening. He’s lived on the surface, where things happen as if by magic. Assuming he could stay at the palace without confirming in time for arrangements to be made, for example. It didn’t occur to him that staff- housekeeping and security- would need to be rota’d on to facilitate.

I think ....
Harry has never been without high level security in the UK until he chose to step away from royal duties. He has conflated being a member of the royal family with fulfilling a working role as a senior royal. As far as he's concerned, he and his family need that high-level security because of their profile. In a way, I can see why he thinks this as they do have a higher profile than the King's siblings and their families. The fact that this is media-driven and briefed and courted by the Sussexes who bring the drama and chaos time after time is lost on him.
He's genuinely carrying extensive paranoia and a wild sense of the injustices piled upon him so his judgement and way of seeing things are totally off. Dispassionate observers can see this is unfounded but he can't. Good therapy might help with this but I think bad therapy has compounded it and he's too far gone.
He has deep-seated resentment towards his brother. He's bitter, jealous and angry. He wants everything William has and more.
Nothing is good enough for H&M and he thinks everyone has it in for him. He is never, ever wrong, because he says so. If he won't accept the considered, forensically detailed professional opinion of a highly respected judge, he's not going to accept the same from RAVEC. He cannot compute that he's not as important as he thinks he is.
He's surrounded by people who are feeding all this ongoing stew of ill-feeling and paranoia, for whatever reasons. Good advisors would have managed this entire visit to the UK completely differently but it would have come at the price of not being the centre of attention and that's not a price the Sussexes seem willing to pay.

Their parents have created a situation where some quarters of the press, or just random strangers with phones to hand, would love to get a photo of the children's faces. This could create a bit of a crowd push around the children but it's likely that the most they'd be at risk of is someone trying to give them a melted selection box. On the other hand, parents naturally want to keep their children safe and there are people who pop up out of nowhere and cause harm (I'm thinking of the incident at the zoo recently). But surely they could ramp up their personal security for the children if they're worried about this?

Bruised ego, you're right. Actually I was about to make a comment similar to what you said before I got sidelined by my own train of thought

They're regularly seen together, as you say in trips regularly away from their children. And to some of the most dangerous places in the world, Nigeria and Colombia.

And I'm the last person who thinks a mum who should be chained 24/7 to her child. But both Archie and Lilibet as very young babies were left at home while their parents attended all sorts of vanity projects on flights hours away from them.

I wonder why they don't just do that here.

But what sort of value do Meghan and Harry have to any sort of hypothetical terrorist attempt on their life. They aren't a member of Parliament, they aren't working members of the Royal family. They've no influence in the UK. He's a Prince who's 5th in line to the throne, who doesn't live in this country and who by all accounts isn't even that popular. Recent pictures of him attending events have shown seriously underwhelming crowds.

Unhinged comments on the Internet don't equal to terror threats. If that was the case, no one would ever leave their house.

They wanted to. They wanted their US private security to be allowed to carry guns in the UK and also be to kept in the loop by the police and security services about any intelligence. The government said no - that the police and security don't share info with private companies and they weren't making an exception for Harry. But that if he were in the UK on royal duties, they would assess the risk and provide security on the same basis as they would for any other royal. Not good enough for Harry.

This is the basis of much of his tantrumming.

I am confused as to what Harry thinks is going to happen without armed police protection. There is no risk to him or Meghan or the children. They could fly in and go to wherever they want to go and nobody will know or care.

Ravec dont think there is a risk to their safety. Harry just wants all the status and the police escort etc so he can feel important. He really isnt important and neither are his wife or kids.

What I don't get is Harry leaks a statement saying he has apparently been the threat of six terrorist threats. But this analysis has been made by a team who then complained they dont have access to the intelligence that government bodies too so im not sure how credible this assessment is. This just shows the world Harry operates in. This isn't like sharing your Netflix password, RAVEC aren't going to share intelligence data with a private security firm.

Most people would be thrilled you'd think if there was found a need not to have armed security!

I’m getting the impression Charles would rather none of them came. This security thing throws up so many wonderful opportunities for blackmail and tantrums doesn’t it. I’m not coming then. They’re not coming then. You won’t be seeing your grandchildren then. Ensures the spotlight is on “poor them” and paints the RF as the villains. Again.

Or Megan doesn't like it here, has no particular ties or friends to visit here and didn't want to come. She is the standard non contact spouse where you send him off to interact with his family alone. She has been away longer than she was here, why the media frenzy and interest? Let them fade away.
The monarchy is a useless institution and the sooner we stop promoting "better by birth" the sooner we can move on from this serf/classist mindset that holds people back.

I think he’s happy to take a small risk but he’s not happy to for his wife and kids. Totally understandable.

It’s all attention seeking nonsense.

Meghan and the kids are currently holidaying in Portugal, according to the press . Why are they safe there but not in the UK?
They will be perfectly safe as guests of KC, at one of his residences.
I think its all about creating drama, so Meg can go back to the States and throw more shit at the Royal Family, and likely earn some bucks from it, since Harry now has a huge high court bill to pay 😆

Yes, there’s always an angle isn’t there. She won’t come here. No one is remotely interested. That’s something she can’t stand: lack of interest. Thought they ‘stepped back’ for “privacy”? She couldn’t tolerate “privacy”.

Just being daft, what security did they have or not have at the non-event New York paperatizzi chase that nobody saw 😆🤣🤪.

Honestly if he was that concerned about his security he'd have accepted BH with the army outside in a timely fashion instead of beyond the last minute

I may be wrong and happy to be corrected but what I've read they are currently staying at the Althorp estate. The same Althorp estate that's currently open to the public.

Wouldn't be my first choice I'd say if I was that concerned about security.

I don’t think Meghan ever wanted to come here, and as their mum, I doubt she wants her children here either. Who would? I’d be keeping my children with me in my own country too. If Harry is stupid enough to want a relationship with his awful family, if he was my husband, he’d be going on his own and I’d think he was an idiot.

Not unreasonable of the UK to say any of that.

@OutInTheWild
I can understand that Meghan doesn't want to come here. But why keep banging on about being royal and being part of the royal family. I saw a clip from her last show ( 2 months ago) where she corrected a friend and reminded her that she was now the Duchess of Sussex. If she hates the royal family, why change her name. Why give the children the titles of Prince and Princess. It is so Katie Price like. Princess Anne, the hardest working royal, did not give her daughter or son titles. Zara is Zara, not Princess Zara. And Princess Anne is the King's sister.
Meghan is free, free to change her name. Free to live a perfectly normal life. So why does she insist on being called the Duchess of Sussex? I think she still hopes that Trump might let her be the Queen of California.

Can you link to the incidents where Daily Mail journalists (or anyone, really) followed HAM and their kids around shouting insults at them?

Any? Ever?

Because I'm going to blunt - this never happened.

It did to Catherine before her marriage and there's video evidence of it.

Clip where Meghan reminds her friend of her royal name.

I've seen some pretty unhinged things said about Meghan and the children on the Internet

Have you seen some of the deeply unpleasant things said about Catherine, including here on MN?

If Meghan wanted to bring the children to the UK on an entirely private visit, she could easily do it without advertising it to the world.