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PR disasters - thread 19

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Mylovelygreendress · 29/06/2026 08:44

Can’t see a new thread and am pretty sure there is still lots to discuss !

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RecoIIectionsMayVary · 30/06/2026 21:55

Thanks for the new thread, I can't keep up!

OctopusFriend · 30/06/2026 21:57

Rhaidimiddim · 30/06/2026 21:54

German MPs questioned how the 40M spend on the Dusseldorf Invictus games was allocated.

24% was spent on (undetailed) security, accommodation and " side events".

The vets didn't get security and accommodation.

10M and no-one can find out what for.

Well. I wonder who got the security and accommodation?

BasiliskStare · 30/06/2026 22:06

Rhaidimiddim · 30/06/2026 21:54

German MPs questioned how the 40M spend on the Dusseldorf Invictus games was allocated.

24% was spent on (undetailed) security, accommodation and " side events".

The vets didn't get security and accommodation.

10M and no-one can find out what for.

And I think I am right ( please someone tell me if not ) that the German equivalent of the IG is now separate from the general IG.

HoldMyWine · 30/06/2026 22:31

Starryfifty · 30/06/2026 22:07

That’s very funny and probably not far off the money. Shame HAM aren’t as good looking as the couple in the video

Starryfifty · 30/06/2026 22:35

HoldMyWine · 30/06/2026 22:31

That’s very funny and probably not far off the money. Shame HAM aren’t as good looking as the couple in the video

Actually, I should edit. I really don't think they'd get a morning show at this stage

bluegreygreen · 30/06/2026 22:36

Lunde · 30/06/2026 21:04

I think I read somewhere that the Royal British Legion sponsors some/all of the UK competitors - I don't know if IG pays for some of the veterans with less support?

The UK (Rishi Sunak) government pledged £26 million to bring IG to Birmingham and the rest was meant to be private sponsorship but recently I read that only £4 million had been pledged. The biggest sponsor - Boeing has pulled out of their sponsorship deal. I think this is part of the Sussex desperation for reconciliation with the royals as the "Harry and Meghan show" is turning off sponsors and the organizers had hoped that Harry would deliver the King and Prince of Wales who both attended the inaugural games.

A really good audit of the accounts is needed - are Harry and Meghan really charging the rumoured private jets, outfit changes and several floors of 5* hotels for themselves and their entourage to the charity??

Why have the costs become so bloated? The US version, the Warrior Games, costs about £4 million

For comparison the 2014 games cost £1.5 million plus some freebee sponsorship
-£500K from William, Catherine and Harry's Royal Foundation
-£500K from the Department of Culture, Media and Sport
-£500K from banking fines (via the Treasury)
In addition the London Olympic Legacy fund waived venue fees and London Transport sponsored free Oyster cards.

That's quite a comparison in funding, @Lunde

the organizers had hoped that Harry would deliver the King and Prince of Wales who both attended the inaugural games.

Back then, of course, they were the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge (i.e. not the Head of State) and the Games had been set up jointly by William/Harry, with the plan for Harry to be patron.
The story of Harry founding them hadn't yet emerged as the only 'origin story'.

Lunde · 30/06/2026 22:43

Rhaidimiddim · 30/06/2026 21:54

German MPs questioned how the 40M spend on the Dusseldorf Invictus games was allocated.

24% was spent on (undetailed) security, accommodation and " side events".

The vets didn't get security and accommodation.

10M and no-one can find out what for.

Have Germany opted out of the Harry and Meghan show? I saw recently that they held their own IG

BasiliskStare · 30/06/2026 22:46

Maybe over time we'll see how this plays out but I think I recall Sophie C (Sentebale ) saying that H was becoming a hindrance to attracting sponsorship money rather than an asset . I don't know if the same is happening with IG or whether in the current climate large companies just have less to spend on charity / sponsorship donations. I don't think he's helping himself though if he wants to be an attractive global figure to garner donations or sponsorship to his charities. If I were setting up a charity H wouldn't even make the first cut on people invited to be a patron.

Lunde · 30/06/2026 23:02

bluegreygreen · 30/06/2026 22:36

That's quite a comparison in funding, @Lunde

the organizers had hoped that Harry would deliver the King and Prince of Wales who both attended the inaugural games.

Back then, of course, they were the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge (i.e. not the Head of State) and the Games had been set up jointly by William/Harry, with the plan for Harry to be patron.
The story of Harry founding them hadn't yet emerged as the only 'origin story'.

When it started IG was a moderately sized military focussed event and the royals turned out to support the veterans - building on London's positivity towards the Paralympics 2 years earlier.

But somewhere along the way the board seems to have got delusions of grandeur that it was going to rival the Olympics - I remember Harry talking about doing huge TV deals and selling broadcasting rights when they hired Scott Moore who had a long career in TV sport broadcasting to help achieve this without understanding that IG is not the Olympics - it is an event with limited appeal beyond family and friends. But it has become a costly albatross.

Which leads to another problem - bankrupt Birmingham probably cannot afford to waive venue fees yet few people actually pay to attend. I remember Tom Bower writing about huge arenas with as few as 29 spectators who were all pushed together with some volunteers for the photos when Harry and Meghan turned up.

It was rumoured that William donated the approx £1 million he got from the NotW hacking scandal to IG ... whereas Harry just seems to take money from IG.

bluegreygreen · 30/06/2026 23:03

They held their own Sports Festival in 2024, and then again this month (June 2026).
Eight countries participated (including the UK), and they also had a section for first responders.
https://www.invictusgermany.de/en/invictus-germany-sports-festival-2024

I don't know what that means for them taking part in the larger games.

bluegreygreen · 30/06/2026 23:06

It is tricky @Lunde - countries are already struggling to host larger, more established events such as the Commonwealth Games.

I do think there is a place for the rehabilitation and community side of Invictus, but still think they would be better linking in with the Paralympics for the large games events.

Lunde · 30/06/2026 23:23

bluegreygreen · 30/06/2026 23:06

It is tricky @Lunde - countries are already struggling to host larger, more established events such as the Commonwealth Games.

I do think there is a place for the rehabilitation and community side of Invictus, but still think they would be better linking in with the Paralympics for the large games events.

I do think there is a place for a more modest event with celebrities and patrons that donate their time rather than expecting a 5* travel and accommodation experience.

It had a lot of goodwill in 2014/2016 however Harry and Meghan treating it as their own personal PR machine and piggy bank have really hurt the fundraising side as business these days want to see results for the target groups and not a jolly for the patrons.

Harry seems to have an old fashioned "princely saviour" complex and it is reminding me of a lot of the things that Sophie C said in relation to Sentebale. Harry's attitude of "donate for me to play polo because I'm a prince". He doesn't appear to see the conflicts between the charity's interests and his own financial interests.

Rhaidimiddim · 30/06/2026 23:26

Lunde · 30/06/2026 22:43

Have Germany opted out of the Harry and Meghan show? I saw recently that they held their own IG

Yes

PullTheBricksDown · 30/06/2026 23:30

ForAmberPoster · 30/06/2026 16:43

Interesting that Camilla met JK Rowling who has also experienced ungrateful brats

Camilla has only gone up in my estimation in recent years. She has done so again now.

DaisyDooley · 30/06/2026 23:36

One of the problems with raising the funds for Invictus HAS to be H&M.
I can’t see many large (let’s say British) companies donating funds to something where the patron doesn’t live here, slags off the head of state and the country, sues his/her majesty’s government and is quite disliked by a large proportion of people. Why would companies align themselves with a couple who are so divisive and so attention seeking that they now totally overshadow the people they are supposed to promote-what they are doing is the exact opposite of what The Royal family try to do.
I mean - would you donate to it?
I prefer Help for Hero’s and the RBL, theRAF Benevolent fund and the Leonard Cheshire (homes). I appreciate some funds have to be used for paid staff, admin etc -but 25% of the Invictus Germany spent on security/accomodation/unknown. 10 million!?
Yeah -I wouldn’t donate a penny to it. It’s totally lost its direction and spends its money on the wealthy patrons promoting themselves rather than the poor servicemen who have lost limbs/eyes etc.

BreadInCaptivity · 30/06/2026 23:36

BasiliskStare · 30/06/2026 22:46

Maybe over time we'll see how this plays out but I think I recall Sophie C (Sentebale ) saying that H was becoming a hindrance to attracting sponsorship money rather than an asset . I don't know if the same is happening with IG or whether in the current climate large companies just have less to spend on charity / sponsorship donations. I don't think he's helping himself though if he wants to be an attractive global figure to garner donations or sponsorship to his charities. If I were setting up a charity H wouldn't even make the first cut on people invited to be a patron.

The issue as stands is that I think it would be fair to describe attitudes to H&M as polarising.

Whilst they appear to have a rather enthusiastic (put nicely) fan base this is substantially outweighed (if you look at their public polling) by people who have negative perceptions of them (both as a couple and as individuals) or people who are utterly disinterested in them entirely.

When the Boards or corporations look to make big donations they aren’t acting out the goodness of their hearts. Like any other, it’s a business decision which is calculated as delivering increased reputational benefit that translates to the bottom line (albeit in a non- transparent fashion).

There are thousands of charities lobbying for these big sponsorship deals.

Having a famous patron can certainly be very beneficial in getting the attention of those corporations, especially when there is a positive synergy between their patronage and the aims of the charity where the former elevates and gives focus to the latter.

The problem for Invictus is that H’s patronage is now eclipsing the purpose, messaging and goals of charity because there is increasing evidence to suggest a narrative that rather than the charity and those it purports to serve being supported and benefiting from the patron, it’s the patron that’s benefiting from the charity, possibly to the detriment of the charity’s aims.

H’s attitude to Invictus is summed by him wanting to pass it to Archie. He sees it as a personal “asset”, much like you might give your child a much loved toy from your childhood to play with. There is no thought here about the best interests of the charity nor those it functions to support. Just huge sense of self entitlement and ownership - that’s not patronage, it’s unsolicited acquisition (something also well demonstrated by putting a flip flopped M at the head of the veterans parade).

Corporates (with the budgets that Invictus needs) don’t need to make potentially controversial charitable donations, when so many other rock solid opportunities are presented to them daily.

Whilst some companies do seek out “controversial”
opportunities that is usually because it aligns with their brand values as a market disruptor/agitator.

Invictus however (conceptually at least) is not controversial or “edgy” - arguably it is actually very conservative. So that won’t pull those type of disruptor companies - but H’s (and M’s) polarity and repeated attacks on his family and the UK are deeply unattractive to brands who value those conservative associations.

I can’t see how presently Invictus gets any net benefit from association with H and suspect that increasingly his patronage is becoming an increasing barrier to the charity’s ability to find funding.

DaisyDooley · 30/06/2026 23:37

PullTheBricksDown · 30/06/2026 23:30

Camilla has only gone up in my estimation in recent years. She has done so again now.

Me too.
I like her more and more. You just know she’s a terf!!

DaisyDooley · 30/06/2026 23:39

@BreadInCaptivity - x posted but you said it much better than I .

Starryfifty · 30/06/2026 23:55

BreadInCaptivity · 30/06/2026 23:36

The issue as stands is that I think it would be fair to describe attitudes to H&M as polarising.

Whilst they appear to have a rather enthusiastic (put nicely) fan base this is substantially outweighed (if you look at their public polling) by people who have negative perceptions of them (both as a couple and as individuals) or people who are utterly disinterested in them entirely.

When the Boards or corporations look to make big donations they aren’t acting out the goodness of their hearts. Like any other, it’s a business decision which is calculated as delivering increased reputational benefit that translates to the bottom line (albeit in a non- transparent fashion).

There are thousands of charities lobbying for these big sponsorship deals.

Having a famous patron can certainly be very beneficial in getting the attention of those corporations, especially when there is a positive synergy between their patronage and the aims of the charity where the former elevates and gives focus to the latter.

The problem for Invictus is that H’s patronage is now eclipsing the purpose, messaging and goals of charity because there is increasing evidence to suggest a narrative that rather than the charity and those it purports to serve being supported and benefiting from the patron, it’s the patron that’s benefiting from the charity, possibly to the detriment of the charity’s aims.

H’s attitude to Invictus is summed by him wanting to pass it to Archie. He sees it as a personal “asset”, much like you might give your child a much loved toy from your childhood to play with. There is no thought here about the best interests of the charity nor those it functions to support. Just huge sense of self entitlement and ownership - that’s not patronage, it’s unsolicited acquisition (something also well demonstrated by putting a flip flopped M at the head of the veterans parade).

Corporates (with the budgets that Invictus needs) don’t need to make potentially controversial charitable donations, when so many other rock solid opportunities are presented to them daily.

Whilst some companies do seek out “controversial”
opportunities that is usually because it aligns with their brand values as a market disruptor/agitator.

Invictus however (conceptually at least) is not controversial or “edgy” - arguably it is actually very conservative. So that won’t pull those type of disruptor companies - but H’s (and M’s) polarity and repeated attacks on his family and the UK are deeply unattractive to brands who value those conservative associations.

I can’t see how presently Invictus gets any net benefit from association with H and suspect that increasingly his patronage is becoming an increasing barrier to the charity’s ability to find funding.

Yes but Dr.C was jealous of Meg. 🙄 you can never win with people like H&M. Never. Therefore, they best cut loose from charity endeavours, etc. Less headaches, less drama. They are a toxic brand and best cut loose

BreadInCaptivity · 01/07/2026 00:05

Starryfifty · 30/06/2026 23:55

Yes but Dr.C was jealous of Meg. 🙄 you can never win with people like H&M. Never. Therefore, they best cut loose from charity endeavours, etc. Less headaches, less drama. They are a toxic brand and best cut loose

I politely disagree 😃.

From where I’m sitting I’m not seeing H&M on the “winning” side of any of the “games” they’ve tried their hand at:

  1. charitable endeavours
  2. Dragon slaying the British press
  3. Taking down the RF
  4. Broadcasting/content production
  5. Online retail
  6. Bending the British govt/the Met/civil service to their will
  7. Statesmanship/political influence
  8. Breaking into the US A list circle
  9. ”philanthropy” (in inverted commas due to Delaware and wrap up of Archwell as a foundation)
  10. Public relations for themselves or their brands
  11. maintaining relationships (both personal and professional apart from with each other)

ETA: in fact I’d go so far as to say it’s actually quite a feat to have been unable to make any significant headway on all of the above given the significant advantages their birthright/marriage, wealth and connections afforded them.

ShamedBySiri · 01/07/2026 00:09

PullTheBricksDown · 30/06/2026 23:30

Camilla has only gone up in my estimation in recent years. She has done so again now.

Has JKR had ungrateful child problems? She seems to keep her family very private and I've never heard anything.

SqueakyDinosaur · 01/07/2026 00:15

ShamedBySiri · 01/07/2026 00:09

Has JKR had ungrateful child problems? She seems to keep her family very private and I've never heard anything.

The reference, I assume, is to Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint (less so IIRC), who have all become multi-millionaires thanks to JKR but have slagged her off in public for being a terrible TERF.

OctopusFriend · 01/07/2026 04:29

BreadInCaptivity · 01/07/2026 00:05

I politely disagree 😃.

From where I’m sitting I’m not seeing H&M on the “winning” side of any of the “games” they’ve tried their hand at:

  1. charitable endeavours
  2. Dragon slaying the British press
  3. Taking down the RF
  4. Broadcasting/content production
  5. Online retail
  6. Bending the British govt/the Met/civil service to their will
  7. Statesmanship/political influence
  8. Breaking into the US A list circle
  9. ”philanthropy” (in inverted commas due to Delaware and wrap up of Archwell as a foundation)
  10. Public relations for themselves or their brands
  11. maintaining relationships (both personal and professional apart from with each other)

ETA: in fact I’d go so far as to say it’s actually quite a feat to have been unable to make any significant headway on all of the above given the significant advantages their birthright/marriage, wealth and connections afforded them.

Edited

None of the above.
Certainly not taking down the RF, who appear to be thriving. Plus, H&M are very royal, they love it, so that's very hypocritical. Republican they ain't.
I hope they find some positive way forward, but for the moment it's just trying to sell jam and getting angry they're not more important.
Shame really
.

OctopusFriend · 01/07/2026 05:04

@BreadInCaptivity- your ETA, spot on. It's extraordinary that people with so many advantages that others could only dream of, should fail so spectacularly.

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