PR disasters Thread 17

[Mylovelygreendress]

Can’t see a new thread so thought I would start a new one to continue discussing the grifters

I don't think Harry and his apologists should be able to plead ignorance about his racism 'because of the times back then' or similar excuses, or say his (royal) family just talked like that around him either. Harry was born in 1984, at school in the 1990s and 2000s, and the Race Relations Act ('Section 1: Racial Discrimination') under Wilson/Callaghan received royal assent in 1976. It was well-ingrained and well-known.

The 1980s-1990s in the UK were magical decades for young people of melting pot popular culture, infusing the air with music and our sights with images from film, TV and 2-Tone - the Specials, UB40, the Selecter, the Beat - multiracial bands with an anti-racist ethos. Does anyone else remember 2-Tone's iconic black-and-white checkerboard symbol of racial unity? I mean, this stuff was the bread-and-butter of shows like Top of the Pops and Radio 1 when Harry was growing up and a drunken nuisance life-and-soul of the party.

Everyone knew about racial discrimination then in the UK, and knew that racial insults were wrong. Then came the time of transition from Thatcher-Major to Blair-New Labour, a time of new millennial hopes, Cool Britannia, and - ironically - Diana's funeral and pop-canonisation. Harry had opportunities to visit African nations and other countries, and to meet people from other cultures, experiences of which most teens and young adults could only dream. He was well-educated, with a cultured father and grandmother who knew the law and about social proprieties. He would rather play the drunken, racist thug to punish them for their existence and his not being Number #1 - that was his conscious choice. He grew to enjoy it.

Harry Windsor is now 41, coming up 42. He won't change.

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That's really interesting detail.

It's the sort of comments that a YouTuber like Beebs Kelley might pick up on. (I think she's lurking on here from time to time!)

Absolutely spot on, IMO, and food for thought.

I hope they’re checked for hidden cameras and microphones. I wouldn’t trust them one bit.

To be fair, A&Ls outfits are not on Meghan’s oneoff page, and I can’t see any links on her instagram post either.

So it doesn’t actually look as though she has used the photo/the kids as a marketing opportunity. At least not as a blatant advert, anyway.

I guess it’s good she’s showing her true colours now; she doesn’t have any class. It’s increasingly tacky and grubby and smacks of desperation.

I wonder if According to Taz lurks?!

Part of me thinks M won’t come and will stay home and sulk. Her bargaining power is limited now and her terms for a visit are unlikely to be agreed to. But then again, will she want to miss out? And does she trust Harry enough to travel without her?

I’m beginning to lean towards her coming & causing trouble.

I'm not sure I 100% agree with this, the UK isn't a monoculture, and it still isn't.

I grew up in a very rural area in the 90s. Racist and homophobic attitudes were common amongst my friends. I came from a very anti-racist family and was well-educated on it at home, but I can't say that I blame my young and immature friends for not having that background or access to the culture you describe.

I'm proud to say that one of my friends grew up to the point where she was kicked out of a party for tackling racist and homophobic attitudes - which were being expressed by adults who didn't have the excuse of being children.

Britain isn't a racist country, which is not the same as saying there are no racists.

The problem is that Meghan knew literally nothing about the UK, certainly not the history of race relations, and how it's very different from the USA.
I remember one of her wild claims in a magazine interview, that a UK newspaper had called her child the N word.
It never happened.

The racism stuff always confuses me - that the UK is so racist that Meghan felt compelled to escape, but she left for a society that is more racist, and with a racist in tow 🤷‍♀️

More racist organisations...and racists with guns....

Me too - she married the most racist (and misogynistic) royal - all repeated incidents of racism documented in the global press for her to see:

In the glorious words of Mrs Merton:

”Tell me, Meghan Markle, what first attracted you to the multi-millionaire racist Prince Harry?”

I'd like to add to @theautumncrow 's point wrt Harry's family.

I read a biography of HMTLQ a while back which stated at a point where Thatcher's Govt were seeking to sideline/'push down' Commonwealth countries, QE2 stood up for them. It resulted in that policy not being actively pushed. If true (and it was backed up by sources in the book), HMTLQ actively advocated for the Commonwealth countries, to try and ensure they would not be disadvantaged by Govt policy.

I recall friends of mine at that time meeting several MPs at an event, and them being shocked at the racist attitudes when in private, particularly toward S.hemisphere nations. I do hope things have changed.

I remember one of her wild claims in a magazine interview, that a UK newspaper had called her child the N word

I think that was in The Cut, @OctopusFriend. I can't find the original thing, but according to the Independent the quote was this:
“There’s literally a structure by which if you want to release photos of your child, as a member of the family, you first have to give them to the Royal Rota ... Why would I give the very people that are calling my children the N-word a photo of my child before I can share it with the people that love my child?”

I'm not aware of anyone on the royal rota having used the "N word" and don't imagine Meghan is either, but sadly it all fits in with her usual behaviour

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-prince-harry-archie-photos-b2155008.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawSnXw1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFkT3NrcWM5dXJoRGJCVVlRc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHoRMlLRg7r62K5oiZZu7wQ94TBkAWLspjVs6BrlI6L9RdTFSfSB35tYSQ0PE_aem_pGWK-i25DXkG_7NA9CM8_w#Echobox=1661782696

There definitely was racist commentary in the public sphere around H&M. Remember Rachel Johnson's comments about M's "exotic DNA"? Or Danny Baker tweeting a pic of a chimp in response to news of Archie's birth? I think it's all too easy to dismiss this stuff in the light of their subsequent appalling behaviour, but it was there and it was deeply offensive.

Of course. No-one has denied that there was no racism. I
However, their accusations against the RF were proven to be untrue.
I'm glad that Danny Baker's tweet was greeted with opprobrium and he lost his job. So it's not as if it was acceptable in the mainstream.

See, I do think this could be read differently - that she doesn't want individual reading members of the public (who've used the N word) the pictures via the Royal Rota.

However, I think it's why you have to be very precise and accurate - something she didn't want to be, I imagine. I don't believe that she was told not to send the pics to her mum, for example, just not to send a WhatsApp to all and sundry before the public announcement.

Yes, when she said this, it was referring to extremists on the internet not respected journalists in the UK and USA. She just used that as an excuse to garner sympathy and get everything her own way!!

DM article about how Charles is being disloyal to Catherine by inviting the two grifters to meet with him and stay with him.

This point caught my eye about what Harry wrote about Catherine in Spare, I don’t think I had heard this before, they really went after Catherine, didn’t they !

Or his claims that she was constantly 'on edge' after realising 'she was now going to be compared to and forced to compete with Meghan'?

https://www.dailymail.com/news/royals/article-15922479/AMANDA-PLATELL-galling-Meghan-UK-return-Kate-NEVER-feel-obliged-welcome-back.html

Have they actually confirmed yet that Charles is going to meet them? I think maybe he has said - only if you stfu and stop briefing the press - seeing how quiet it's gone over the last few days.

Yeah, and people knew that it was wrong and that's why they got into trouble for it.

As far as I can see, the media believe it is happening, but that could be the Sussex global PR team pushing that as a wishful agenda.

Archive of the mail platell piece.

https://archive.ph/nXSk2

She's certainly the kind of commentator who blows with the wind and the Mail has featured sugars and sinners heavily this week so presumably it's all just so much cock for clicks and they know no more than us what's happening.