PR disasters Thread 17

[Mylovelygreendress]

Can’t see a new thread so thought I would start a new one to continue discussing the grifters

If protecting the monarchy is at the forefront, the Palace have left it a bit late, that horse bolted when the Oprah interview was aired, since then we have had an autobiography, documentary series, countless interviews, all attacking the institution and the family, very odd now that the Palace appears to want them back in when the damage has been done.

But do they want them back or is this just H and M planting the idea and hoping it happens ?

I’m wondering this, it could all be wishful thinking on their part and Charles and the Palace have no intention of bringing them back, it could all be Sussex spin, though Richard Eden has been talking about project thaw for some time now…..

They’ve got form for this. Remember Duchess Dior?

I think they're trying to plant the idea but what they're forgetting is that Charles is a shrewd observer of public feeling towards the Royals and he knows that the British public right now won't accept H and M getting a new role because of everything that's happened. However much he loves his youngest son, it will damage the Monarchy's standing to do so.

But H and M are desperate, so who knows what they'll bring to the table to persuade him. They know they've potentially got a small window of opportunity before William takes the throne and they are out in the cold forever.

I'm inclined to believe that most of this is coming from H&M, Mylovelygreendress, but they'll be back only if it suits the palace and for no other reason

Personally, even allowing for public fickleness, I really can't see how they'd want this, but there's little hope of seeing much normal behaviour from this bunch so who knows

Business perspective on why As ever is a complete disaster and could be on the brink

https://alizalicht.substack.com/p/meghan-markles-5-million-jam-problem?r=6ya9l&trk=public_post_comment-text

It's been discussed previously how H&M are short on money, can't keep up with the neighbours, don't appear to go on exotic holidays very often, if at all, don't have a second home to go to etc, in short living less than their best lives at least by the standards of their neighbours and probably their aspirations.

This was brought home to me yesterday as I read that a Wiltshire billionaire has just bought a £300million yacht. I read something a while ago that yacht brokers recommend buyers' budget should be no more than 10% of their net worth due to the massive running costs of these yachts, over and above the purchase price. So if you are worth £100million, your yacht should cost no more than £10million. Which is practically a mini in super yacht terms.

I've taken to watching super yacht chefs on YouTube, it's fascinating! The level of extreme luxury and no expense spared is beyond my wildest imagination. Many of these yachts cost as much as £1million A WEEK to charter. So if you are net worth £100million, you should be careful about splashing out on too many expensive charters a year or you will soon burn through your fortune. In short I can see how H&M aren't going around chartering fab boats for their summer holidays.

Are invitations to join an on board party forthcoming? I suppose these super yacht owners might demand total secrecy but I'm not sure H&M could be trusted not to boast about their invitation so I doubt they are having exotic trips under the radar. Monte Carlo during the Monaco Grand Prix last week was awash with these boats (I don't think you're meant to call them boats but what do I care?), with loads of parties and guests - we've probably never heard of 99% of the people owning or chartering those boats.

This is a long way of saying that H&M are small fry, and probably destined to always feel they have been hard done by, and not able to live a lifestyle commensurate with their importance. Of course if they had stayed in the Royal family quite a few properties in the UK would be available for holidays, like Balmoral and Sandringham, and they'd probably be getting invitations like they did in the year after they married, to Elton John's place in France and the Clooney's place in Italy. Meghan needs to sell a lot more than jam to have that billionaire lifestyle.

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/26191885.wiltshire-mansion-owner-buys-300m-superyacht/

The mad life of a yacht chef! My dream retirement job is to be the laundry maid. Seriously! They have a room stuffed full of washing machines and dryers, doing all the linen, towels etc every day, guest clothes, all the staff uniforms and other stuff. I like ironing, can happily put something on YouTube to watch or a podcast to listen to. Living on the yacht, travelling around, all daily needs supplied, income banked without spending a penny, gorgeous food supplied by the chefs. I'd love it!

I thought it was firmly agreed that Meg brought nothing but bad press for Ingruftus. Its reputation is now on its arse. Having her merching outfits and bleating about how awful her life is will be a disaster

A broke, desperate, depressed Harry is a very bad thing for the RF. that's the only way they'll allow them back

It's about maintaining the dignity of the institution of the RF by not having the king's son debasing himself for money.

I think that ship has sailed!

There's also the matter of trying to quash any chance of Harry making a Diana documentary for next year full of wild theories about her death and embarrassing his father over his affair

Honestly, I don't think they care that much at this stage. It's all ancient history now.

I really don't think there is much left to be said about Diana, and Harry was too young to understand what was going on anyway. Sure, he could still come up with 'revelations' - true or false - which could embarrass Charles, but this is a man who had his intimate conversations splashed all over the world's media. He would take a deep breath and let the news cycle move on, as he has done for decades.

Besides, if you give into what is essentially blackmail, where does it end? And if Charles were prepared to do it, surely it would have been best done years ago, pre 'Spare', pre Netflix, pre Oprah? Not now, when they're reduced to twerking videos?

Anyway, we don't even know that there will be any visit, much less that the King will agree to meet with them. I think any discussion of 'half in half' out is premature. Personally, I'd be amazed if we get anywhere close to anything of the sort.

we already have a reveal of further Diana tapes in the pipeline courtesy of the person who was the go-between between Diana and Andrew Morton.

Really? I thought the go between was a doctor called James Colthurst, who had been one of her circle pre-marriage. He's hardly spoken about her in all these years except for a few bland short comments. I had the impression he was somewhat in love with her. I'd really be surprised if he is collaborating with H&M and revealing anything controversial.

H has embarrassed himself many times in the past but I think he was hopeful he could still turn things around, therefore he didn't need the RF. His last project is Ingruftus and that's in serious trouble and even if it wasn't, it's not enough. Look at everything he has attempted. Podcasting, Production, mental health advocate (whatever the hell that is), keynote speaker, global ambassador. Every single one an absolute shit show. He now needs the RF.

That's his problem.

even simpler theory: kc is less well than apparent and wants to see the grandchildren one last time

I don't understand why all the news outlets are saying that MM and the children WILL be joining Harry - how can anyone possibly know that? How do they know that H will be happy that the security arrangements are flashy/dramatic enough adequate for his family? How would H&M ensure that there aren't any identifying photos on social media? I think they are trying to back KC3 into a corner but he won't agree to anything that's a bad move for The Firm so there'll be a last-minute U-turn and they will, 'with the greatest regret, be forced to stay away because their safety cannot be guaranteed' (not because KC3 hasn't played ball). I could be wrong.

I don't understand why all the news outlets are saying that MM and the children WILL be joining Harry - how can anyone possibly know that?

They can't "know", @Lifestooshort71, and even if Harry himself had called them up and said so that's no guarantee they'll come

We've been here so often with confident media assertions of this and that, and when it doesn't happen they simply move onto the next story ... not unlike H&M themselves come to that

Colhurst is not collaborating with H&M. He’s collaborating with Andrew Morton for a 5 part series to air in the US next August. It’s been widely reported.

I think you could be spot on .

It looks like the Sussex’s have personally leaked it to media, hence why it is being reported as a done deal, but they could also be trolling the media and public.

So much for their security fears announcing their visit in advance. .

I agree with you about the coverage now being out there of Harry touching men inappropriately; plus first-hand documentation of hitting. Nipples, buttocks, belly, faces.

There’s something wrong with him, but the fact he does it when being bodyguarded lessens my sympathy for any excuse he comes up with. He’s not so much ‘punching down’ as fondling down and slapping down - often literally.

No-one has ever seen Richard Eden and Spanakopita in the same room together, know what I mean? <taps side of nose>

Yes, I think this is more than just the annual 'will they or won't they'. I don't think the BBC would say they 'understand' they are all coming if they didn't have it from good 'sources' (maybe the Chief of Staff or Global Press Secretary?)

Which isn't to say it will definitely happen. As @Lifestooshort71 said, it could be some silly game to put pressure on Charles and RAVEC and then turn around and say 'The Duke didn't feel confident about bringing his children to his home country despite wanting them to learn about their heritage' or some similar crap. That's kind of their style.

Oh, they'll know, because People magazine / 'a source close to the Sussexes' will spill the beans

If the whole family comes there will be a press field day. Lots of coverage, probably all positive at first, look how much Lilbet looked like Diana, isn't Harry wonderful with the vets etc etc. If they meet Charles expect lots of doting grandpa articles.

But in reality I don't think anything will have changed.
Harry always does these Invictus trips, the fact he is rolling out the children isn't an indication that things are going well for them imo.

It will be lovely for Charles to meet his family who have "made their lives abroad". Who wouldn't want a family reconciliation to some degree, family splits are awful.

They'll get security because, well, there should be security appropriate to the threat level.

And very soon the press will get tired of writing positive articles, spin the wheel and use the same photos and stories in a negative context. Lots of lovely material they can spin out for months.

But none of that is any reason to think that Charles will want Harry back as a working royal. He isn't needed and it would be a headache for everyone trying to manage him. They will come over, get press, merch clothes, show off the children and them go back. If they are wise they won't give interviews about any meeting with Charles and any non meeting with anyone else. But will they be wise?