PR Disasters Chapter 15

[FenellaFeldman]

The saga continues

I think @40coats young girls have been wearing that sort of style since Adam was a lad. Not just Diana. Now whether they are channeling that photo - I obviously couldn't tell. Nothing would surprise me.

They are talking about the use of the word uppity which sometimes comes with racial undertones. There are various things that pop up on MN like this eg beyond the pale seems to be another phrase. Boy or girl can also be considered in this way where one is negative and one is positive.

Boy or girl can also be considered in this way where one is negative and one is positive.

I have never heard/read of this either in RL or on MN. Which is supposedly positive and which is negative 😵‍💫.

I probably am taking too much of a leap but when I read people saying lily's look is most likely deliberate I wondered if there's any Diana as a child influence. I found it interesting that there's a picture of Diana at 5 in a similar dress to what lily is wearing on her 5th birthday. To me it's not only a similar style but colour too.
If it were anyone else I would've said it was too much of a leap and even until recently enough I would've thought too much for Meghan but recent incidents including the scones nonsense made me wonder.

I’m equally curious confused!!😵‍💫

Boy is a well known racial slur used against black men. Girl is a supportive sisterly term.

Where? , because I can tell you it’s not in the U.K. !!! , I have a “boy “ and a “girl” neither is a term that denotes anything at all to do with race at all!
, sorry to rant but I’m deeply fed up with American race critical theory being brought into everything, it’s about time that people realised that although we may share a common language our history and culture diverged a long , long time ago, as is the case with Australia , Canada and New Zealand, it’s about time we realised our differences and stopped shoving them down each other’s throats!

I totally agree.Absolute nonsense.

I was out with ‘the girls’ on Wednesday, dh with ‘the boys’ on Thursday we are in our 60’s. Although me and me and my friends were debating whether we should start referring to ourselves as ‘old girls’. The vote was we stick to girls.

Absolutely this. There was not the same system of slavery in the UK, nor was there Reconstruction, nor the imposition of Segregation. Our histories, therefore our application of language, is very different.

Good decision!

This might be the case in the US but would not be understood in the UK. Similarly uppity. It has its own meaning in the UK which has nothing to do with race.

We used to have loooong debates on H and MM threads about the history of slavery in the UK and US and how this had led to very different perceptions and cultures, including use of language. They were fascinating but never ended well.

Exactly this. Uppity is very different in the UK, and I think there's a distinct failure to understand linguistic differences arising.
I remember an American asking me what kind of school I went to, I said a State School. He said - I thought you didn't have states?

Not in the UK. This is a U.K. forum.

Edit: as far as I’m aware.

I remember a huge argument on here when an apparently American poster got very heated about "faggots" as in the meat and offal dish, often served with peas, and insisted it should be changed to "meatballs" because the word "faggot" was used by more people worldwide as a derogatory term for a gay man than for a foodstuff.

In Wales, people use “boy” as a term of endearment. My sons (and grandsons) are still addressed as “boy” when their Welsh grandad speaks to them, even though they’re now in their mid-to-late 40s.

That's so silly, isn't it!

Absolutely, FenellaFeldman

In the Welsh side of my family "butt" short for "butty" (friend - I think from the Welsh word "byti") is often used as an endearment.
The person who objected to faggots as a dish would have probably spontaneously combusted at being referred to as "my butt".

Good point.

Looks like MM managed to stay
off insta for the duration of the wedding. Maybe H took her out somewhere to distract her?!

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Rather than racial slur, I think "outdated term" is more apt in the case of "boy". Gardeners and house servants were called "boys" in colonial Africa, so example "mine's ill, can you send your boy over, the hedge needs trimming".
But, similarly, "nanny" is also an outdated term in Africa, as it referee to older black women. My white African MIL would correct me if I said the word. But no one on MN seems to care about that.
A LOT of posters on MN are full of self righteous bollocks.

My Welsh uncle called everyone male younger than him (pretty much everyone) "boyo" but I knew Irish old men who did as well. Such a lovely endearment, as most are. I loved being called "ducky" in Bristol in my 20s. My french friend was shocked to be called "my loverrrr" by a shop assistant. "I am not 'er loverrrr?!" 😂

Well said 👏🏾