AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

[simpsonthecat]

New thread. This is not ending

@simpsonthecat
I don't either. I am expecting the whataboutery about Harry and sausages to make a reappearance.

Duplicate post.

Don't forget penises and small bedroom!

And I would add JAM

the bloody appalling houses of York and Sussexes
Insinuating that AMW and SF's actions are comparable to anything Harry and Meghan have done weakens your points

I agree, but moving on

This article from the Times - I've archived it as it is behind a paywall

https://archive.ph/e6NUq

So Charles is reviewing the York daughters properties within Kensington Palace and St.James Palace. One is an apartment and one is a three-bedroom cottage. About effing time Charles. This is some dodgy deal that AMW setup with his mother because he wanted his daughters to have a foothold in royal properties and quite obviously QE2 was pathetic weak as far as he was concerned.

They have never been working Royals (I use the term working loosely!), they pay nothing for these properties. Why has it taken him so long to announce he is going to look at this. It is only because the public are getting heartily sick to death of this freeloading.
So Charles pays for these properties out of his personal wealth but only pays 40% of the market rate anyway! Interesting to read that the daughters hold a license and not a lease and it is reviewed annually. What was the outcome of the past yearly reviews then?
This family are taking us for a load of mugs!

Baroness Hodge nails it here - when talking about AMW subletting properties in Royal Lodge and trousering the money.
"I think it is outrageous that the National Audit Office doesn’t know how much, or was not told how much, Andrew charged for those houses.
“And let me tell you why — the Crown Estate does not belong to the King. The Crown Estate belongs to you and me, belongs to us, it belongs to the nation. And their prime purpose is to maximise the income and value for the taxpayer. So the National Audit Office ought to be able to see all their funding and all their finances and all their deals.”
Hodge added: “Right through this report we’re left asking questions. I cannot for the life of me understand why any members of the royal family were able to charge rent [and] make money out of properties that they got on lease.”

The National Audit Office sounds completely useless and they just sign off anything year after year.
I have highlighted the part that really matters and that we should all take note of.

Just to add
@Decacaffeinatednow thank you for your long post I read last night and for doing all the groundwork on this. I hope I haven't repeated too much of what you have already posted

I’m not sure I’ve understood your point exactly @MyAutumnCrow - you seem to saying that individuals are ‘running the show’ and are controlling the Windsors . So the blame for the Epstein ring , financial abuse , excluding themselves from tax and laws etc lies with this individual and not the Windsors ultimately ? In that your point ?

So when government ministers and civil servants brought their concerns to Elizabeth and were ignored it was this ‘CEO’ who is ultimately responsible?

I disagree - though I’m sure the Windsors would be happy with your argument

As for ‘brutal’ criticism of William.
They are facts .
William DOES do next to nothing and has made it clear he will phone it in if he’s king.

He HAS closed the books on the Duchy .

He DOES charge charities and public bodies just as Charles does . One example being the continued pocketing of 1.5 million in rent from us for an usable prison.
He could reimburse us , if as royalist claim he is ‘forced’ to take the money .
He HAS ‘forgotten to let it be known that we contributed nearly half a million to his 5th forever home while claiming to be funding it himself .

William took part in the attempted rehabilitation of Andrew . William in many ways is worse than Charles- in terms of transparency ( yes I know Charles is hardly an open book) work ethic and yes charisma .

There was nothing stopping William from making a statement about victims years ago .
He was silent .
The day the Epstein files became accessible to the public he releases a trite system while on his way again to visit Middle Eastern despots . Crass .

you seem to saying that individuals are ‘running the show’ and are controlling the Windsors

News to me (that I'm 'saying' this). I'm talking about a culture of cover-ups. Norman Baker is good on this. See also Shauna Kay on 'The Vintage Read' channel.

@simpsonthecat

Is that article from today ?

So the report showed us a bit more about how the Windsors rip off the tax payer and the next day Charles says he’ll ’review’ it
Abuses have been running on for decades but the day after some publicity they suddenly act?
Oh do fuck off . This is pathetic and we are pathetic for letting his continue .

@MyAutumnCrow

Sorry - it read to me that you were laying the blame at the door of the’CEO’

I agree on the cover ups - it’s nothing but coverups .
Im familiar with Norman Baker and Lownie .

Kay is new I’ll look that up .

It was from Friday!

Catching up.

Does anyone know if there's a list anywhere of the twelve (twelve!) properties MW was juggling?

Wasn't he supposed to be paying £13k a year for a property for staff? Who was he sub-letting the £60k 'cottages' too?

So many questions now.

You see my worry is... When William takes over promising transparency, that will just not happen. I honestly think that he and his aides will just get much much better at hiding things

Just found this...

Charles is said to be paying for his nieces through the privy purse, which mostly is derived from the Duchy of Lancaster, which he holds "in right of the crown". This means it is his only through his role as sovereign, not his private property as an individual, which has created fierce debate about whether or not it is truly private wealth at all.

I agree with you .

Im heartily sick of the ‘next one up will be different’ narrative .

Taxpayers have been sold that line for generations. It’s a grift .
“Ok the current lot aren’t great but don’t look there , look over here .The next one will be better ! Promise!’

We were told that Charles would be the great reformer weren’t we? He’s done nothing but cover up for Andrew along with William .

William has demonstrated that not only will he do much less he is much more secretive . He has refused to give an iota of the financial transparency that Charles did.

Dont fall for the ‘next one will better’ line .

It’s demonstrably untrue .

Re the reduced rent - does the report make clear whether everyone who lives in St James Palace gets the same reduction? The report indicates the reduction vs market rates is because it’s only open to people who can pass the security checks.

Security you say ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9d2yqq50lzo

The reduced rent is being investigated but it’s not the key issue . The key issue is non ‘working’ relatives are being subsidised by the public purse. KP and st James are maintained by us .
Also we were told E and B were paying market rent . That wasnt true was it? They weren’t paying penny .

Catharine zeta Jones and Michael Douglas managed to!
(Might be Kensington Palace)
They managed to pay full market rates

I don’t think we’ve ever known how much rent they or the other non royal renters pay?

It’s St James Palace for the Zeta Joneses.

So that’s the next level of transparency I’d like to see.

If the royal family members are getting a reduced rent because of the vetting issue - does that apply to everyone?

And does the Crown Estate management do a full outdoor and facilities renovation to all properties when a new lease is being signed as part of their landlord responsibility as they have done for Forest Lodge?

William has demonstrated that not only will he do much less he is much more secretive . He has refused to give an iota of the financial transparency that Charles did.

I agree entirely. W is shaping up to be a poor replacement even to the current poor incumbent in all sorts of ways.

I've been idly fiddling around with tax calculators today and all of them seem to come up with a figure of around £10m due in tax on an income of £20m (which is in itself I suspect an underestimate), Some suggest figures of some £400k due in NI and we have no idea if this is met. All we know is the claimed payment is £7m which begs the question of how the £3m discrepancy is being accounted for.

Interestingly my idle research also threw up this historic article about C3 claiming his state pension. I recognise he's supposed to be donating it to charity but even so 😮

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/07/prince-charles-claim-state-pension-navy-donate-charity

The key issue is non ‘working’ relatives are being subsidised by the public purse.

Can we add the mystery of how one of MW's associates (the alleged fraudster who won a Pitch@Palace award and gifted assorted Yorks multiple tens of thousands) came to be living in a prime CE owned Mayfair flat with no evidence of rent being paid?

Is it possible CE properties can be more or less requisitioned by royals with no independent oversight? If so it's high time an accurate register of who is in them and what the rental arrangements are is implemented and closely monitored.

Just popping in to say thank you for all of these really interesting links and enlightening posts. Fascinating stuff!

I’m really behind catching up with all of the National Audit Office findings; I find it almost mind-bogglingly laughable that Charles is announcing a review in to B & E’s rental
agreements for their London accommodation only now! Talk about behind the curve!

Who on earth is advising them? The optics are appalling!

I’m not sure we need an organised Republican movement after all 😆; the RF seem to be working pretty hard at making themselves as unpopular as possible in this time of housing shortages for the young and economic strife! Do they have any advisors who live in the real world?

That’s a very interesting question.

The Crown Estate website claims it’s an independent body.

The Crown Estate is owned by the Monarch “in right of the Crown”. This means that while the King owns the estate during his reign, it is not his private property and he does not manage or make decisions about its assets.

This dates back to 1760 when George III surrendered the management of Crown Lands to Parliament for a fixed annual payment.

Later in The Crown Estate Act 1961, subsequently amended by The Crown Estate Act 2025, the modern-day independent and commercial organisation was created.

Our profit is delivered to the Treasury, who then decide the annual payment to the King (the Sovereign Grant).

Here’s a link for the leadership team:

www.thecrownestate.co.uk/about-us/our-board

That was awful
Tarek Kaituni, a convicted Libyan gun smuggler maintained correspondence with AMW
Kaituni was reported to have served as a fixer for Andrew, organising private meetings with the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and was even a guest at Eugenie's wedding.
Following the scandal around the financial gifts, it emerged in 2022 that Turk—the man associated with Kaituni—had been living in a high-profile apartment in Mayfair, London, owned by the Crown Estate.
Kaituni acted as the main link between Andrew and Selman Turk, a Turkish banker and alleged fraudster who gifted Andrew more than £1 million.

Could you even make this up if you tried???

The Crown Estate website claims it’s an independent body.

In the face of questions over the rental arrangements (or not) for prime properties that really is increasingly hard to believe.

The recently come to light abuses surely mean it's time for the obfuscating 'Crown Estate' to be re-named what it actually is - The National Estate - and to be administered accordingly.