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AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

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simpsonthecat · 08/05/2026 22:01

New thread. This is not ending

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simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 13:09

I think the litmus test will be the scrutiny of the royal estates due in the Autumn, and whether any action is taken

However the Palace has form for doing one thing to appease the masses and hoping all the rest goes away

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Mylovelygreendress · 07/06/2026 13:20

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 13:04

Indeed. Writing nonsense in a book about a sausage and a small bedroom appears to be worse than passing on classified government documents to a convicted sex trafficker

If that’s all you took from Spare I doubt you have read it ( I have).
No- one but no- one is condoning AMW’s behaviour.

Ukisgaslit · 07/06/2026 13:33

I’d like to see anyone try to condone Andrew’s behaviour !

But defelct , downplay , distract , but but but etc

Yes royalists have a years long history of that on here . We see you . It’s shameful .

Recklessismymiddlename · 07/06/2026 13:54

There is no way AMW behaviour can be condoned.

But I’ll repeat I doubt he operated in a vacuum and having been exposed to how men speak about women, when they think no one is listening, and having acted for some less than savoury characters, nothing surprises me.

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 13:57

Mylovelygreendress · 07/06/2026 13:20

If that’s all you took from Spare I doubt you have read it ( I have).
No- one but no- one is condoning AMW’s behaviour.

I have read it twice. If you would like a screenshot of the book on my ebook which I have with me here I will let you have it. Please don't call me a liar

No I didn't find it as bad as you obviously did

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/06/2026 13:58

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 07/06/2026 13:05

I don't think it's :'Harry v the RF'. Harry is a member of the RF. He doesn't want to bring about their downfall or want them to be less privileged or scrutinised more. He wants more of them ( namely him and his children) to have more privilege and less scrutiny. I would say they would all like that. The rest of them know they can't have it, and can't demand it publicly, otherwise the whole house of cards risks coming down. That's why they are angry at Harry, and why, belatedly they are angry at Andrew. Not because of his behaviour but because his behaviour has been so awful ( unchecked and covered up by them, thinking the deference and secrecy would go on forever) that all of them are now under scrutiny.

Yes, that makes sense to me, Desperatelyseekinglazysusan, and I do agree that it probably wasn't so much what Harry said in his book as that (unlike Andrew so far) he wrote it at all

Granted he gave them an easy "out" by telling so many provable lies and trashing his own credibility, but I also agree there'll be a lot of resentment among the family because the cover-ups they attempted have now brought a spotlight on them

Of course the whole mess could have been avoided by them all behaving in an approximately decent manner, but sadly too many seem incapable of that

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 14:08

I agree they do seem incapable of behaving in an open, decent manner. The whole institution is undemocratic and they are so insulated from the realities of modern life this gives them this huge sense of entitlement. All of them. I actually think they are a fairly dysfunctional family whose role in modern society is stale
Please dont bring up tourism value 🤣

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Mylovelygreendress · 07/06/2026 14:20

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 13:57

I have read it twice. If you would like a screenshot of the book on my ebook which I have with me here I will let you have it. Please don't call me a liar

No I didn't find it as bad as you obviously did

I didn’t call you a liar but I am surprised you thought it was truthful .

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 14:34

Where have I used the word 'truthful'?

I dont think it was a pack of lies for sure. He got a couple of bits wrong in it, memories aren't always 100%
Here is my take on it, just so you can't say to me I haven't read it!

I thought it was interesting in parts, it was boring in parts (especially the army bits). His trauma and grief was very apparent, but he came across petulant at times. His grief about his Mum and the paparazzi was raw.
I lived in a family with a golden child so I get the small bedroom one sausage bit totally. It struck a chord with me. And made me smile because I got it!
He over shared at times but he was warm about his father. It was something he wanted to do (the book) and it was his prerogative to do it. I don't think it was that bad at all

There you go ! 🤣

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LipglossAndLies · 07/06/2026 15:50

They’re all in on it, grifting in various ways. We just weren’t privy to it until Andrew was exposed, which raises the question: how much more is there?

If William is as moral and above reproach as many of his supporters claim, then why refuse to disclose how much tax he pays? Nobody is legally required to do so, but if he is paying the right amount, what is there to hide? Personally, if I were paying the correct amount, I’d have no issue saying so and proving it.

Many civil servants’ salaries and pay bands are publicly available, making it possible to estimate roughly how much tax they contribute, even if their exact tax position is private. Yet when it comes to people with far greater wealth and influence, we're simply expected not to ask the question.

Transparency builds trust. Refusing to provide it inevitably invites speculation.

Unfortunately what we have now seen via Andrew is there are many shady dealings going on. Time for all of then to be transparent if they want to restore trust otherwise quite frankly its all tainted.

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 16:02

@LipglossAndLies
Totally agree with you. I have always said that we will know about 10% of what goes on, there is far more that will be hidden and clever PR keeping it from us. Who remembers the paradise papers when it was shown that QE2 had millions in offshore tax-free funds in the Cayman Islands. That only came about because of investigative journalism
We don't know half of it

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Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 07/06/2026 16:52

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 14:34

Where have I used the word 'truthful'?

I dont think it was a pack of lies for sure. He got a couple of bits wrong in it, memories aren't always 100%
Here is my take on it, just so you can't say to me I haven't read it!

I thought it was interesting in parts, it was boring in parts (especially the army bits). His trauma and grief was very apparent, but he came across petulant at times. His grief about his Mum and the paparazzi was raw.
I lived in a family with a golden child so I get the small bedroom one sausage bit totally. It struck a chord with me. And made me smile because I got it!
He over shared at times but he was warm about his father. It was something he wanted to do (the book) and it was his prerogative to do it. I don't think it was that bad at all

There you go ! 🤣

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I thought exactly the same. I agree that the ' sausage' thing sounds ridiculous but when a small child is always seen an ' less important' they don't understand ' well your brother is more important' and even though he is, there is no need to impose such a rigid hierarchy in every single thing just to reinforce that he was not that important, but that's how the RF work, with the ridiculous curtseying in order in private to each other. Looking at it the other way, who would look at two children and say ' Oh he's not that bright/not going to take on the family business in the future, so we'll give him less food'? It was probably an example of how he felt he was treated his whole life.

LipglossAndLies · 07/06/2026 17:32

🙄 those who cheer others for being factual are then not factual themselves is amusing.

The sausage story wasn't even in Spare it came from an interview by Paul Burrell and he claimed that when they were children, a nanny gave William three sausages and Harry only two. When Harry complained, the nanny allegedly told him, "William needs filling up more than you. He's going to be king one day."

So let's be clear on what is actually in the book.

Quite frankly if that is even true it just adds weight to the different treatment the two children received. Given that a future heir isn't going to be King until well into their 40s then why can't children be raised equally and completely out of the public eye, they don't need to attend events or be on the balcony either nor start any sort of additional training. They can do this once they are 18, mature enough to understand it all and for spared then given a choice.

To be honest the Royal Famy members all lie, none of them are truthful.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 07/06/2026 18:07

LipglossAndLies · 07/06/2026 17:32

🙄 those who cheer others for being factual are then not factual themselves is amusing.

The sausage story wasn't even in Spare it came from an interview by Paul Burrell and he claimed that when they were children, a nanny gave William three sausages and Harry only two. When Harry complained, the nanny allegedly told him, "William needs filling up more than you. He's going to be king one day."

So let's be clear on what is actually in the book.

Quite frankly if that is even true it just adds weight to the different treatment the two children received. Given that a future heir isn't going to be King until well into their 40s then why can't children be raised equally and completely out of the public eye, they don't need to attend events or be on the balcony either nor start any sort of additional training. They can do this once they are 18, mature enough to understand it all and for spared then given a choice.

To be honest the Royal Famy members all lie, none of them are truthful.

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I agree. I think the staff who work for the Royals who exacerbate this issue, as well as the ones who engage in extreme cover ups ( like the person who misplaced huge volumes of emails relating to AMW) need to be given instructions that this kind of thing isn't on. They are clearly employed due to their extreme deference and loyalty to the RF but they are allowed to/ or encouraged to behave in this manner. There is no need to single out children like this. And no need for the current narratives around the Wales children. They don't need their entire lives to learn how to hold a ceremonial role of little consequence. The most effective Royals are the ones who married in as adults - Camilla, Sophie and Kate.

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 18:17

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2213690/royal-family-peppercorn-rent-free?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwdGRjcASSgNZjbGNrBJKAs2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHjdjVoDMD6uo51AvtlMTpOboOiH2Ves7pazNgduueDd-1dP6sBBOAaqNks7O_aem_OGCDHfF-8m8B_yvGKm77gQ#Echobox=1780652187

Full list of Royal Family members living rent free or paying peppercorn rent

There a few members of the Royal Family who are approved to pay peppercorn rent - or no rent at all.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2213690/royal-family-peppercorn-rent-free?fbclid=IwdGRjcASSgNZjbGNrBJKAs2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHjdjVoDMD6uo51AvtlMTpOboOiH2Ves7pazNgduueDd-1dP6sBBOAaqNks7O_aem_OGCDHfF-8m8B_yvGKm77gQ#Echobox=1780652187

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MyAutumnCrow · 07/06/2026 18:21

William does next to nothing . He does not work in any real sense but he’s self described as a ‘working royal’
His 20 room apartment in Kensington palace is free as he is a so called ‘working’ royal.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that 'badly' is what the Yorks and the Sussexes would like people to think of William, because William is the one that can and probably will do something about the alleged York Crime Family money-laundering grift and the alleged Sussex charity leeching. He's probably already had private audit assessments done.

The man at the top who had been protecting 'The Firm' and all its members for 15 years - its 'CEO' as it were (think of the monarch as the Firm's chairman of the board) - was Lord Peel, from 2006-2021. It's interesting that one of Harry's very few visits to Queen Elizabeth in her final few years, in April 2022, was when a new Lord Chamberlain had only been installed for a year. Harry announced in an interview (but of course) that this was to ensure she was 'protected' and had 'the right people around her'. Intriguing - especially as the new Lord Chamberlain Andrew Parker served as Director General of MI5 from 2013-2020 (and is now a cross-bencher in the Lords).

What was spooking Harry? (Pun intended.) What kind of investigation, clean-up or cover-up or otherwise was Parker there to undertake, I wonder? There's no way that Charles and William didn't have a say in his appointment, given they will have been aware the Queen was by now very unwell indeed. Indeed, she died in the September following Harry's visit in 2022.

Andrew Parker was succeeded by Richard Benyon in 2024. Again, Charles and William will have had a say in this appointment. After all, it's the man who runs 'The Firm'.

The brutal criticisms of the inevitable heir the throne of the UK and Realms is coming across to me as an attempt to distract from the credibility of the man who can and probably will do something about the bloody appalling houses of York and Sussexes, and hopefully hit a reset button of some kind, with the help of a Lord Chamberlain / 'CEO' who knows and exhibit the Nolan Principles of Public Life.

As a mild-mannered republican, I hope that's not too much to wish for. Till then, I'm going to watch William with great interest and a healthy level of cynicism, and give him a chance to prove himself trustworthy. Let's face it, if he fails it's monarchy over.

LipglossAndLies · 07/06/2026 19:53

"probably", "alleged", and "I wonder". That's not evidence.

If William is supposed to be the great moderniser and champion of transparency and cleaning house, then let him voluntarily publish full details of his finances, tax payments and Duchy income. The same standards should apply to everyone.

As for Andrew, William wasn't exactly keeping his distance. He was perfectly happy to be seen driving Andrew around and publicly associating with him long after the Epstein scandal was public knowledge. We're now supposed to believe he's going to clean house? His actions don't support that narrative.
And if he is truly about accountability, where was his voice when Virginia Giuffre was being publicly discredited and effectively called a liar? If William is as appalled by Andrew's conduct as people claim, what stopped him issuing a statement condemning attempts to smear her reputation? He has a voice. He uses it when he wants to. Silence is a choice too.

He talks about modernising the monarchy while already introducing his children into royal life. Surely real modernisation would mean letting them grow up privately and decide for themselves as adults.

And if everything is as rosy as his supporters claim, why the need for a crisis manager before he's even King?

Sorry, more wishful thinking than a fact-based argument. I'll judge William on what he actually does, not on what people hope he'll do. Until then, all I see is a lot of excuses made for William while everyone else is expected to prove themselves.

Noone needs to discredit William his actions or lack of them do the job for him already

Recklessismymiddlename · 07/06/2026 19:57

Interesting points from you @MyAutumnCrow I’ll take that and wait and see. I don’t think we will have to long to wait. But I still say we won’t have a monarchy in 20/30 years.

CathyorClaire · 07/06/2026 20:07

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 07/06/2026 13:05

I don't think it's :'Harry v the RF'. Harry is a member of the RF. He doesn't want to bring about their downfall or want them to be less privileged or scrutinised more. He wants more of them ( namely him and his children) to have more privilege and less scrutiny. I would say they would all like that. The rest of them know they can't have it, and can't demand it publicly, otherwise the whole house of cards risks coming down. That's why they are angry at Harry, and why, belatedly they are angry at Andrew. Not because of his behaviour but because his behaviour has been so awful ( unchecked and covered up by them, thinking the deference and secrecy would go on forever) that all of them are now under scrutiny.

Excellent post.

I think both H and MW have been useful idiots and heat shields for the wider institution.

Neither the self- serving vanity projects masquerading under the auspices of 'charitable work' nor the appalling double dipping into the public pot via the Duchies have received the attention and opprobrium they genuinely merit and I don't doubt the property merry-go-round will go the same way.

It's heartening to see wider cracks in the facade beginning to emerge but all the time the world's directed to gawping at the antics of a self-important but ultimately irrelevant buffoon and - without downplaying the seriousness of the allegations - gasping at the dazzling arrest and ongoing aftermath of the MW saga the rest of the corrupt Windsors continue to slither round under their stone hiding behind laws they engineered to protect them.

We should be demanding the draining of the entire royal swamp.

Decacaffeinatednow · 07/06/2026 20:30

This is a cut and paste from an article on Independent.co.uk

*Will anyone give me the rental value on three cottages in Windsor Great Park? Increasingly, the royal family and their living arrangements resemble a high-end car boot sale where anything is up for grabs, and everything has a price.
The latest revelation, courtesy of the National Audit Office (NAO), is that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has been coining it from three properties on the Royal Lodge estate. He leased from the Crown Estate and then sub-let them. Nice.
We’re also informed that the King pays the rent for Andrew’s daughters, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, even though they are not working royals.
Doubtless, there will be more to come. Because this is where we’re at with the royals: we’re being invited to try to make sense of a steady drip-drip of information that paints a picture of a group of people living high on the hog – and makes the blood boil. While the rest of the population struggles with cost-of-living anxieties, they sail on regardless.

It’s been like this for centuries. For most of that time, we did not shine a light on their finances, regarding them, as we’d been taught, as being above and beyond. Those who did – the occasional inquisitive journalist, author or MP – were treated with a certain disdain; there was a notion that somehow, they were being disloyal and unpatriotic; that even by the act of inquiring, they were intent on bringing down the royalty, one of the historic bulwarks of Britain.
There were occasional rows, but these did not amount to much, and soon passed. The fact that public money was involved was not allowed to weigh heavily. It is telling that this report from the public spending watchdog is the first in 20 years in respect of the royal residences.
The prompt, of course, was Andrew. Without the Jeffrey Epstein scandal and the exposure of Andrew’s relationship with the late convicted paedophile, plus some diligent work by the writer Andrew Lownie, there would not be this NAO probe. We would still be none the wiser, content to let them enjoy lives distant from our own, lives that we are paying for.
So it is that the NAO study tells us that a family of four – Andrew and his now ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, and Eugenie and Beatrice – had 12 properties at their disposal. Twelve! Even the richest Saudi might gulp at such a number.
As ever, in reports of this kind, there is no asking why. That’s not what the audit office does; it provides the facts as it finds them. The reasoning and justification are left to others.
Princess Eugenie,has a property in Kensington Palace, while Beatrice, right, has one at St James’s Palace (PA)
Similarly, we’re told that Eugenie has a property in Kensington Palace and Beatrice has one at St James’s Palace. They do not pay any rent for these; rather, it is paid by the “privy purse”, which is the monarch’s personal money, to the Royal Household. Fair enough; if Charles wishes to let his nieces reside, like him, amid splendour, that is up to him. He may suppose such a lifestyle befits their status as princesses, though not ones who work at being a princess, as his sister Anne most definitely does.
But those homes are maintained at the taxpayer’s expense through the sovereign grant. They are old, and will require repair and updating. That comes out of the public, as opposed to the privy (a word that says it all about privacy) purse, which, as we know, is desperately thin at present.
Just as no explanation is offered, neither is the rental income Andrew received from the three cottages. That description, by the way, should be treated with caution – a royal “cottage” is usually not a two-up, two-down artisanal dwelling of the sort that farm workers would live in. Likewise, when they say “lodge”, they do not mean the typically small building standing at the gated entrance to a park; their definition is something a lot grander.
As ever, the hat-tippers and forelock-tuggers are quick to say there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by Andrew or his children, or, indeed, the other family members covered by the NAO inquiry.
Among the details to have emerged is the fact that the Crown Estate paid for repairs costing nearly £400,000 before the Prince and Princess of Wales moved into their “forever” home at Forest Lodge; further, Princess Michael of Kent, another non-working royal, is living in a property in Kensington Palace paid for by the privy purse.
They say they want to be open, but only so far. Where public money is concerned, we have the right to know. Then we, not they, can decide if the arrangement can be allowed to continue
But no one said they were behaving illegally (what Andrew may or may not have got up to with Epstein, or in his role as an official trade envoy, is another matter). They didn’t need to. Why would they, when the booty was presented to them on a plate?
That’s what is highlighted: the overwhelming sense of entitlement. While other young people struggle to find
accommodation
in the expensive London and South East, they have no concerns.

The palace press machine has, as usual, gone into overdrive, stressing that it is “grateful” for the report, which is “in line with the Royal Household’s commitment to transparency”.
A spokesperson went on: “We hope that the findings will help correct, clarify or contextualise a number of points regarding royal properties. As the report notes, arrangements for properties managed by the Royal Household vary based on a number of factors to ensure residences are filled appropriately, depending on their location, tenants and purpose.”
To which the answer is yes, but. The palace wants us to know that Andrew rented the cottages to staff or retired staff, and the amount was only enough to cover running costs.

It’s their word. That’s the trouble; it always is. Whatever he received, it went to him and not to the Crown Estate, which remits its profits to the Treasury.
They say they want to be open, but only so far. Where public money is concerned, we have the right to know. Then we, not they, can decide if the arrangement can be allowed to continue. The balance of power has shifted – Andrew has seen to that – and the palace, King Charles, Prince William and their hangers-on must respond accordingly.*

CathyorClaire · 07/06/2026 20:41

Will anyone give me the rental value on three cottages in Windsor Great Park

Reports today indicating estimates from property experts suggest the region of £180k.

That's £60k each which seems well outside the reach of the poorly paid lackeys generally exploited by the royals.

I can't see MW with his history of bellowing and abusing flunkeys giving them generous living arragements.

CathyorClaire · 07/06/2026 20:45

Reports today indicating estimates from property experts suggest the region of £180k.

Link:

https://www.magzter.com/stories/newspaper/The-Independent/ANDREW-COULD-HAVE-MADE-180K-A-YEAR-CHARGING-RENT

Decacaffeinatednow · 07/06/2026 20:46

So W and C are including 2 staff cottages in their rent of £307000 for Forest Lodge. Would those cottages also be costing £60,000 per annum each? Or would £30,000 per annum be closer to the mark?
The previous tenant was paying £216,000 for Forest Lodge alone.
So if W and C are paying £60,000 for both cottages that means they are paying £247,000 for Forest Lodge itself...Is that good value for the Crown Estate and indirectly the taxpayer? After almost £1m spent on renovations.

simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 21:14

So it is that the NAO study tells us that a family of four – Andrew and his now ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, and Eugenie and Beatrice – had 12 properties at their disposal. Twelve! Even the richest Saudi might gulp at such a number.

I can't even comprehend it just absolutely obscene

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simpsonthecat · 07/06/2026 21:16

@Decacaffeinatednow

I need to pick through this and make comment.
I will !

I have no idea how anyone can defend the royal family in any way shape or form

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